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Tue Feb-06-07 12:23 PM
Response to Reply #4 |
| 5. What is that supposed to mean? |
| -What do you admire most about Jesus of Nazareth? |
BurtWorm |
Feb-06-07 12:18 PM |
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His refusal to affiliate himself with any religious institution |
Old Crusoe |
Feb-06-07 12:20 PM |
#1 |
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Jesus was a liberal |
PhilipShore |
Feb-06-07 12:20 PM |
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I don't know if he really existed or not |
blonndee |
Feb-06-07 12:20 PM |
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such a person probably existed but |
bambino |
Feb-06-07 12:25 PM |
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I don't know why people think he "probably" existed. |
BurtWorm |
Feb-06-07 12:43 PM |
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If you repeat this enough times, does it become true? |
kwassa |
Feb-06-07 01:24 PM |
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It's understandable that a Christian would believe the mythological Son of God lived |
BurtWorm |
Feb-06-07 01:38 PM |
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Who said my answers are based on faith? |
kwassa |
Feb-06-07 02:54 PM |
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I do not say that he did not exist. |
BurtWorm |
Feb-06-07 03:23 PM |
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Virtually, you did. |
kwassa |
Feb-06-07 04:11 PM |
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The difference is that I don't pretend to *know* he didn't exist. |
BurtWorm |
Feb-06-07 07:52 PM |
#43 |
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Jesus' central teaching was the coming of the kingdom of Heaven. |
okasha |
Feb-06-07 09:12 PM |
#46 |
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Isn't that eschatology totally appropriated from Isaiah? |
BurtWorm |
Feb-06-07 09:52 PM |
#50 |
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Quick answer, no. |
okasha |
Feb-06-07 10:47 PM |
#54 |
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That is a very progressive reading of Jesus's words. |
BurtWorm |
Feb-06-07 11:49 PM |
#55 |
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How do you know how the early Christians read it? |
kwassa |
Feb-07-07 05:05 PM |
#57 |
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Knowledge of minds of early Christians is possible through the miracle of reading |
BurtWorm |
Feb-08-07 09:54 AM |
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Name one historian in Judea during the lifetime of Jesus |
kwassa |
Feb-08-07 08:32 PM |
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You mean with a degree in history? |
BurtWorm |
Feb-09-07 08:51 AM |
#79 |
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I knew you couldn't do it. |
kwassa |
Feb-09-07 09:38 AM |
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So Josephus did pull Antiquities out of his ass? |
BurtWorm |
Feb-09-07 09:42 AM |
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Nope |
kwassa |
Feb-09-07 09:58 AM |
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Recordings about Jesus |
MrWiggles |
Feb-09-07 10:25 AM |
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Excellent question. |
BurtWorm |
Feb-09-07 10:54 AM |
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Nothing, but you are ducking the point in my post. |
kwassa |
Feb-09-07 12:18 PM |
#95 |
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Talk about ducking a point! |
BurtWorm |
Feb-09-07 12:28 PM |
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and you don't give the same creedence to those who speak of Jesus? |
kwassa |
Feb-09-07 12:32 PM |
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Who speaks of Jesus outside the Gospels and Paul? |
BurtWorm |
Feb-09-07 12:44 PM |
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Who speaks of anything in Judea in that era outside the Gospels and Paul? |
kwassa |
Feb-09-07 01:13 PM |
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You dodged my important question in that post. |
BurtWorm |
Feb-09-07 01:16 PM |
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Kwassa, just because you don't know them it doesn't mean... |
MrWiggles |
Feb-09-07 01:54 PM |
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Thank you, Mr. Wiggles. |
BurtWorm |
Feb-09-07 02:21 PM |
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Why would I have to name a historian? |
MrWiggles |
Feb-09-07 12:31 PM |
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should I write it in crayon? |
kwassa |
Feb-09-07 12:38 PM |
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No need for crayons, Kwassa |
MrWiggles |
Feb-09-07 01:44 PM |
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You both have evaded my central point for a long time. |
kwassa |
Feb-09-07 03:19 PM |
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My opinion |
MrWiggles |
Feb-09-07 03:39 PM |
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How is my argument weak? |
kwassa |
Feb-09-07 03:50 PM |
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The entire thing |
MrWiggles |
Feb-09-07 04:08 PM |
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Lame? Desperate? |
kwassa |
Feb-09-07 04:25 PM |
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and one other point that you might relate to ... |
kwassa |
Feb-09-07 04:11 PM |
#124 |
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We don't use the Talmud |
MrWiggles |
Feb-09-07 04:24 PM |
#126 |
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No, it makes perfect sense. |
kwassa |
Feb-09-07 04:28 PM |
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"No, it makes perfect sense" -- be careful because it might hurt your case! :-) |
MrWiggles |
Feb-10-07 06:43 AM |
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The outlines of the Spartacan revolt are pretty well known because history recorded it. |
BurtWorm |
Feb-09-07 04:17 PM |
#125 |
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Drat those epistles. |
okasha |
Feb-09-07 10:49 PM |
#131 |
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You're telling me that the people of the Book who worship Jewish history |
BurtWorm |
Feb-09-07 10:53 AM |
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You are the king of the circular argument |
kwassa |
Feb-09-07 12:17 PM |
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But there *is* a written history of that era that you are happy to cite |
BurtWorm |
Feb-09-07 12:40 PM |
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I have never cited those sources as proof of Jesus's existence. |
kwassa |
Feb-09-07 01:05 PM |
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Would you regard Jesus' life as newsworthy? |
BurtWorm |
Feb-09-07 01:14 PM |
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In an era where there were no newspapers? or other media outlets? |
kwassa |
Feb-09-07 02:32 PM |
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Why should we think any event before the age of newspapers or media outlets |
BurtWorm |
Feb-09-07 03:02 PM |
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I don't know. Why should they leave a trail? No good reason I can see. |
kwassa |
Feb-09-07 03:27 PM |
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The NYT of the era |
MrWiggles |
Feb-09-07 03:34 PM |
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The asses out of which Josephus pulled the Antiquities, |
okasha |
Feb-09-07 07:00 PM |
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am i at democratic underground? n/t |
NotGivingUp |
Feb-06-07 12:21 PM |
#4 |
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What is that supposed to mean? |
Heaven and Earth |
Feb-06-07 12:23 PM |
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Yes, in the "Religion" forum. Take a wrong turn? |
jobycom |
Feb-06-07 12:25 PM |
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yes, i caught it on the latest threads...oops! |
NotGivingUp |
Feb-06-07 03:07 PM |
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Hmmm. One bizzarre response deserves another |
bryant69 |
Feb-06-07 02:14 PM |
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Also I respect that he stood up for the adulteress when the shitheads |
Old Crusoe |
Feb-06-07 12:27 PM |
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I have little doubt he existed. |
jobycom |
Feb-06-07 12:39 PM |
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You mean the turning water into wine, raising the dead, curing the blind |
BurtWorm |
Feb-06-07 01:02 PM |
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I mean that, as an historian who studied that era for a while |
jobycom |
Feb-06-07 01:25 PM |
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Where is this testimony of these witnesses outside of the gospels? |
BurtWorm |
Feb-06-07 01:35 PM |
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Aramaic would be the language |
MrWiggles |
Feb-06-07 02:26 PM |
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Wouldn't the Torah have been in Hebrew? Or would that have been Aramaic? |
BurtWorm |
Feb-06-07 03:07 PM |
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The Torah was written in Hebrew |
MrWiggles |
Feb-06-07 04:03 PM |
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how many times do we got through this? |
kwassa |
Feb-06-07 02:32 PM |
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What language were the Dead Sea Scrolls in? |
BurtWorm |
Feb-06-07 03:15 PM |
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Uh, do you have a rebuttal, burtworm? |
kwassa |
Feb-06-07 03:57 PM |
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I am addressing one of your points by asking this question. |
BurtWorm |
Feb-06-07 04:12 PM |
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I say this. |
kwassa |
Feb-06-07 05:21 PM |
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You said this... |
MrWiggles |
Feb-06-07 07:47 PM |
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I apologize, because I misstated something in my post |
kwassa |
Feb-07-07 05:21 PM |
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Which language did Judaean Jews speak amongst themselves ordinarily? |
BurtWorm |
Feb-08-07 10:37 AM |
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Actually ... |
kwassa |
Feb-08-07 08:38 PM |
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Much of everyone's arguments on the historicity of Jesus is based on supposition, kwassa. |
BurtWorm |
Feb-09-07 08:49 AM |
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I don't know who you are quoting, but it isn't me. |
kwassa |
Feb-09-07 09:49 AM |
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Actually, I'm quoting one of your sources, but from a different article |
BurtWorm |
Feb-09-07 10:35 AM |
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Good catch Burtworm |
MrWiggles |
Feb-09-07 10:59 AM |
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That arrangement makes perfect sense. |
BurtWorm |
Feb-09-07 11:16 AM |
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Sure |
MrWiggles |
Feb-09-07 12:25 PM |
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Now if we could just get this through to kwassa... |
BurtWorm |
Feb-09-07 12:26 PM |
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You can find answers to that in hundreds of books and web pages |
jobycom |
Feb-06-07 02:52 PM |
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Of course my questions are not conlcusive evidence. They're questions. |
BurtWorm |
Feb-06-07 03:59 PM |
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Received wisdom is called "scholarship" |
kwassa |
Feb-06-07 04:40 PM |
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1) Sacred writing is "business?" |
BurtWorm |
Feb-06-07 07:32 PM |
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Adding to number 4 |
MrWiggles |
Feb-06-07 08:04 PM |
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You're right about that. |
BurtWorm |
Feb-06-07 09:56 PM |
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You should probably make sure you know the answers to questions |
okasha |
Feb-06-07 09:09 PM |
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Are you saying Greek is the language of the Sadducees and Pharisees? |
BurtWorm |
Feb-06-07 09:44 PM |
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Uhm, where in the Temple? |
okasha |
Feb-06-07 10:18 PM |
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And do you know a lot of Israelis in Israel who speak English to each other outside the synagogue? |
BurtWorm |
Feb-06-07 10:44 PM |
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Language |
MrWiggles |
Feb-07-07 05:50 AM |
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Your point? |
kwassa |
Feb-07-07 05:13 PM |
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Nothing to do with the Gospels |
MrWiggles |
Feb-07-07 05:25 PM |
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It raises the question why, if Jesus was so potentially essential to Judean Jewishness |
BurtWorm |
Feb-08-07 10:40 AM |
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The literature isn't culturally Greek, it is written in Greek. |
kwassa |
Feb-08-07 08:34 PM |
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Greek language isn't Greek culture? |
BurtWorm |
Feb-09-07 09:02 AM |
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Not necessarily. |
kwassa |
Feb-09-07 09:54 AM |
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You haven't shown even ONCE that Greek was the language of Jews in religious context. |
BurtWorm |
Feb-09-07 10:43 AM |
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I gave you the evidence and quotes |
kwassa |
Feb-09-07 12:49 PM |
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I cite the overwhelming propensity of scrolls among the DSS to be in Hebrew |
BurtWorm |
Feb-09-07 12:52 PM |
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You are doing the supposing, of course. |
kwassa |
Feb-09-07 02:51 PM |
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"one can assume" "presumably" "probably" "compel us to assume" |
BurtWorm |
Feb-09-07 03:04 PM |
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Should I accept the views of the mass of biblical scholars, or burtworm? |
kwassa |
Feb-09-07 03:34 PM |
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You should use your critical judgment. |
BurtWorm |
Feb-09-07 04:52 PM |
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PS: I don't know what you mean about my "dismissing" Philo. |
BurtWorm |
Feb-09-07 11:46 AM |
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Jesus brags to much for my liking. |
Evoman |
Feb-06-07 12:47 PM |
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Check out the "Jesus Seminar" |
keith the dem |
Feb-06-07 01:08 PM |
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Humility. n/t |
igil |
Feb-06-07 12:48 PM |
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It was false humility. |
Evoman |
Feb-06-07 04:13 PM |
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His compassion. |
Geoff R. Casavant |
Feb-06-07 01:26 PM |
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His ability to be "whole brained". |
Stanchetalarooni |
Feb-06-07 01:27 PM |
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I never thought of that injunction as evidence of "whole-brainedness." |
BurtWorm |
Feb-06-07 02:13 PM |
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I like the portrayal of Jesus of Galilee in Paul Park's THE GOSPEL OF CORAX. |
Old Crusoe |
Feb-06-07 04:17 PM |
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The Love! |
applegrove |
Feb-06-07 05:25 PM |
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His shelf life. eom |
varkam |
Feb-06-07 09:25 PM |
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Nothing |
toddaa |
Feb-06-07 09:41 PM |
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Having done a quick read through this thread... |
Chorophyll |
Feb-07-07 05:15 PM |
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Who said you're not allowed to admire him. Admire away. |
BurtWorm |
Feb-07-07 10:33 PM |
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Okay. Just checking. ;) |
Chorophyll |
Feb-08-07 07:38 AM |
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Well, I think it's possible to find it meaningful and illuminating |
JerseygirlCT |
Feb-09-07 07:10 AM |
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Definitely! |
Chorophyll |
Feb-09-07 07:22 AM |
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Me too. nt |
JerseygirlCT |
Feb-08-07 07:49 PM |
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His willingness to suffer and die for my sins. |
Zebedeo |
Feb-08-07 11:42 AM |
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That he was reputed to be a storyteller |
Book Lover |
Feb-08-07 04:46 PM |
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In Matthew: |
JerseygirlCT |
Feb-08-07 07:48 PM |
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Me too, Jersey Girl. n/t |
Chorophyll |
Feb-08-07 09:14 PM |
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That one's hard to beat. |
okasha |
Feb-08-07 11:14 PM |
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He basically said nobody's perfect, just try your best to be kind... |
Jamastiene |
Feb-10-07 04:59 AM |
#132 |
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