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144. The census is a great place to start but info is everywhere.
The census can give you all sorts of credible data on pop estimates and county demographics. Also, many research papers exist that document a lot of this stuff already. Look into jury duty articles and migration papers. Look into news stories about poverty and standard of living. Look at the new business openings and closing. Look at the number of vacancies for commercial and industrial property.

All of these sources should be good for information to bring the picture of the county into focus. Choose a small one like Holmes county or Union county and start digging. How hard is it to find the information on a population of 20,000? I don't believe that the Board of Elections in these counties are corrupt. That would be too hard. It's possible but very hard. We need to find articles that relate to policy changes and papers that relate to the Help America Vote Act that affect this policy. The Sec. of State website has some great info from past elections, dating back 50 years or so. There isn't much on absentee voting which is a little concerning as this should be highlighted as much as the provisional votes were highlighted. Look for stories and op/eds but stay focused on one county. Post your information so others can correct your findings and add additional information. But stay focused on only one, become the Union County expert. Find out who the director of the Board of Elections is and any information you can find about any of the people who run the BOE. Find out the budget information if you can. Find it all. Dig dig dig until you are sick to death of Union County. And post everything. When we spot irregularities we can bring those into focus and pass this information on to the other DUers and who knows. This information will be important later on as well as the groups who are out there fighting voter fraud can use this data to identify suspect areas and can help to take steps to limit future fraud. Since a large amount of people believe that fraud took place in 2000, then it is only fair to say that this is a long standing campaign to disenfranchise our votes. This is a war on democracy and we need to fight this battle and we need to keep fighting this battle.

Sincerely,
Michael Lewis
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  -Ohio counties w Registration exceeding 100% of the voting age truehawk  Nov-19-04 11:10 PM   #0 
  - Send this on  Carolab   Nov-19-04 11:15 PM   #1 
  - I'll send it to her directly  Eloriel   Nov-20-04 03:38 AM   #15 
  - Kick!  FaithTrustTruth   Nov-19-04 11:17 PM   #2 
  - Hi FaithTrustTruth!!  newyawker99   Nov-20-04 07:00 PM   #37 
  - Union County  kk897   Nov-19-04 11:25 PM   #3 
  - Population Data - 18 and over - Ohio - by county  Zan_of_Texas   Nov-20-04 12:29 AM   #7 
     - Better to find the interim projections  shaggy briard   Nov-20-04 06:35 PM   #34 
  - This is important  woody b   Nov-19-04 11:32 PM   #4 
  - Absentee Trends  TennisGuy2004   Nov-19-04 11:46 PM   #5 
  - Generally, yes, that's common wisdom, absentee, is usualy more  John Q. Citizen   Nov-20-04 12:20 AM   #6 
     - You are correct.  jhgatiss   Nov-20-04 12:59 AM   #8 
        - Could purged voters be used as bogus Absentee Ballots.  freedom for all   Nov-20-04 02:38 AM   #11 
           - My suspicions exactly  shaggy briard   Nov-20-04 06:39 PM   #35 
           - Envelopes!  tonyblair   Nov-20-04 06:58 PM   #36 
              - Hi tonyblair!!  newyawker99   Nov-20-04 07:01 PM   #38 
                 - Hi to you too, NewYawker  tonyblair   Nov-20-04 08:46 PM   #40 
                    - the envelopes are most likely trashed (long ago) by now  NewYorkerfromMass   Nov-20-04 08:59 PM   #41 
  - Ohio Precincts with more votes than voters  RedOnce   Nov-20-04 01:47 AM   #9 
  - This was debunked a while ago  high density   Nov-20-04 01:50 AM   #10 
  - good articles but not related to my questions.  freedom for all   Nov-20-04 02:51 AM   #12 
     - sneaky  no1hedberg   Nov-20-04 03:37 AM   #14 
        - Double Votes In Ohio  fasttense   Nov-20-04 04:15 AM   #16 
           - I don't know how other states do it...  Starlight   Nov-21-04 09:34 PM   #102 
  - This of course would account for a part of the exit poll discrepencies.  robicat   Nov-20-04 03:32 AM   #13 
  - purged roles every election  freedom for all   Nov-20-04 04:27 AM   #17 
     - kick  truehawk   Nov-20-04 12:10 PM   #18 
     - We also need to compare the voter rolls with florida  truehawk   Nov-20-04 12:13 PM   #19 
     - Who has control over absentee ballots  freedom for all   Nov-20-04 12:14 PM   #20 
     - absentee ballots fly under the radar easily  freedom for all   Nov-20-04 01:55 PM   #21 
     - Dispatch article related?  kk897   Nov-20-04 02:18 PM   #24 
  - FINALLY!!  IAMREALITY   Nov-20-04 02:00 PM   #22 
  - kick  floridadem30   Nov-20-04 02:10 PM   #23 
  - remember, too,  kk897   Nov-20-04 02:20 PM   #25 
  - Kick!  BlueDog2u   Nov-20-04 02:24 PM   #26 
  - Warren County too  shaggy briard   Nov-20-04 02:27 PM   #27 
  - GREAT THREAD!  republikkkon   Nov-20-04 02:52 PM   #28 
  - Population studies, possible voters & registration.  freedom for all   Nov-20-04 03:18 PM   #29 
  - Other states?  jdog   Nov-20-04 04:35 PM   #30 
  - Not so hard  shaggy briard   Nov-20-04 06:19 PM   #31 
     - I may be slow  jdog   Nov-20-04 06:25 PM   #32 
     - Contact the reporters at the Cincinnati Enquirer that broke or  rosebud57   Nov-20-04 06:26 PM   #33 
  - I POSTED ON THIS AFTER THE ELECTION BUT WAS  lizzieforkerry   Nov-21-04 10:54 PM   #105 
  - Some People Paid Attention, Lizzie  ribofunk   Nov-22-04 08:47 AM   #116 
     - The fraud would only need to be a few thousand per county...  mikelewis   Nov-22-04 04:33 PM   #118 
  - Which stats did you use? 2000 or 2003?  lizzieforkerry   Nov-23-04 08:53 PM   #155 
     - No, we can't expect the same results from one election to the next  mikelewis   Nov-24-04 01:43 PM   #157 
  - City of Cleveland Review of Voter Registrations  mikelewis   Nov-20-04 07:24 PM   #39 
  - what percent of adults vote  freedom for all   Nov-20-04 09:11 PM   #42 
  - people move, die, etc.  sandnsea   Nov-21-04 06:49 AM   #52 
     - That's true but look at the turnout  mikelewis   Nov-21-04 07:15 AM   #60 
        - we know what the turnout was, you dont need to assume  RageKage   Nov-21-04 07:40 AM   #63 
        - How did you arrive at this number? Please correct me.  mikelewis   Nov-21-04 07:45 AM   #64 
           - the 105.6% is not the problem.  RageKage   Nov-21-04 07:50 AM   #66 
              - But where are you getting your voting age pop info from?  mikelewis   Nov-21-04 08:07 AM   #67 
                 - we are using the same pop numbers  RageKage   Nov-21-04 01:18 PM   #73 
        - Yes I know  sandnsea   Nov-21-04 01:13 PM   #72 
  - That gives lots of wiggle room for padding the Rethug vote  truehawk   Nov-21-04 01:01 AM   #43 
  - Connecting the Dots  Spongebob76   Nov-21-04 01:21 AM   #44 
  - Cuyahoga County Voter Registration Info  mikelewis   Nov-21-04 06:03 AM   #45 
  - Licking County Registration Data  mikelewis   Nov-21-04 06:11 AM   #46 
  - Licking County: % of persons under 18 is 26% not 28.2%  Iceburg   Nov-22-04 06:47 AM   #115 
     - Excellent... That's what I'm looking for.  mikelewis   Nov-22-04 04:35 PM   #119 
        - Yes, I do find many of my findings suspect ...  Iceburg   Nov-22-04 07:08 PM   #121 
           - Canadians Rock!!! Excellent information, I never concidered this.  mikelewis   Nov-22-04 08:36 PM   #122 
              - Mike I am more than willing to work with you and a few others  Iceburg   Nov-23-04 07:05 AM   #137 
              - Im in, and I will follow your lead since you got the creds  mikelewis   Nov-23-04 08:22 AM   #140 
              - Canadians Rock!!! Excellent information, I never concidered this  banjobob2   Nov-23-04 08:01 PM   #153 
                 - Stupid is a stupid does... Oh how great it must be to know everything  mikelewis   Nov-24-04 01:49 PM   #158 
  - um, I dont follow your data...  RageKage   Nov-21-04 06:31 AM   #49 
     - This is voting age population that is registered, your data is turnout  mikelewis   Nov-21-04 06:47 AM   #51 
     - but whats the point?  RageKage   Nov-21-04 06:53 AM   #54 
        - "Inactive voters"  woody b   Nov-21-04 07:05 AM   #58 
     - try again  woody b   Nov-21-04 06:51 AM   #53 
        - I've done this...  RageKage   Nov-21-04 07:02 AM   #56 
           - 2000 data figures? Maybe I am wrong...  mikelewis   Nov-21-04 07:40 AM   #62 
  - Subject: 105.6% Voter Registration Delaware County  mikelewis   Nov-21-04 06:25 AM   #47 
  - Voter Registration Putnam County 100.6%  mikelewis   Nov-21-04 06:30 AM   #48 
  - registration 103.7% voter / 163,771 new registered voters Franklin County  mikelewis   Nov-21-04 06:40 AM   #50 
     - Hmm...did Blackwell forget bothering about the "inactive voters"?  woody b   Nov-21-04 07:00 AM   #55 
     - the stopped the purge  RageKage   Nov-21-04 07:03 AM   #57 
        - Now THAT's interesting  woody b   Nov-21-04 07:11 AM   #59 
           - No, people don't even talk about the election  mikelewis   Nov-21-04 07:22 AM   #61 
     - Your 2000 turnout numbers are low.  fliesincircles   Nov-21-04 09:34 AM   #69 
  - Yes, in Florida 2000  PATRICK   Nov-21-04 07:46 AM   #65 
  - Gore in 2000  banjobob2   Nov-23-04 07:53 PM   #151 
     - Yeah, you're right, sorry for bothering you  mikelewis   Nov-23-04 07:59 PM   #152 
  - Please, someone correct me  mikelewis   Nov-21-04 08:11 AM   #68 
  - How I got my figures  kk897   Nov-21-04 12:53 PM   #71 
  - Too much for my brain to absorb but I can tell it's worth kicking  Straight Shooter   Nov-21-04 10:38 AM   #70 
  - The above 100% registration/voting age pop. means nothing.  RageKage   Nov-21-04 01:27 PM   #74 
  - Kick it still, let them figure it out  goclark   Nov-21-04 01:56 PM   #75 
  - It is a condition for vote fraud per overregistration  woody b   Nov-21-04 02:17 PM   #76 
  - I agree.  RageKage   Nov-21-04 02:51 PM   #77 
  - Exactly the point  shaggy briard   Nov-21-04 03:11 PM   #78 
  - especially in Ohio, too  RageKage   Nov-21-04 03:24 PM   #79 
     - That's the method I'm convinced was used in many states  txindy   Nov-21-04 09:26 PM   #101 
  - Why the vote purging explanation is a smoking pile of crap!  mikelewis   Nov-21-04 04:42 PM   #80 
     - cool, 'nuf said  RageKage   Nov-21-04 05:18 PM   #81 
     - Amish  tonyblair   Nov-21-04 09:20 PM   #99 
        - Hadn't Thought About That  ribofunk   Nov-22-04 08:56 AM   #117 
           - Is it possible we could have been beaten by the Amish Vote?!?  mikelewis   Nov-22-04 04:38 PM   #120 
  - numbers/stats person needed here  scurvy_n_disastrous   Nov-21-04 05:49 PM   #82 
  - Kick  scurvy_n_disastrous   Nov-21-04 06:11 PM   #83 
     - kick  jdog   Nov-21-04 06:20 PM   #85 
  - The New York Times article and Registration levels  mikelewis   Nov-21-04 06:20 PM   #84 
  - Continued because I'm an idiot and clicked the wrong button  mikelewis   Nov-21-04 06:22 PM   #86 
  - A long way from being an idiot!  jdog   Nov-21-04 06:29 PM   #87 
     - To expose this will require a massive criminal review  mikelewis   Nov-21-04 06:55 PM   #89 
        - First time cards are probably not the problem  shaggy briard   Nov-21-04 07:21 PM   #91 
           - That's true, I must admit I am only just learning...  mikelewis   Nov-21-04 07:41 PM   #93 
  - The same article... same topic... sorry posting as I read  mikelewis   Nov-21-04 06:41 PM   #88 
  - No repubs on the ground canvassing for voter turnout!  mikelewis   Nov-21-04 07:13 PM   #90 
     - Mike, which are the most suspicious counties?  dewaldd   Nov-21-04 07:55 PM   #95 
        - Right off the bat... all of them but lets start with Franklin and Delaware  mikelewis   Nov-22-04 12:08 AM   #110 
  - kick  symphony   Nov-21-04 07:30 PM   #92 
  - "We use very few"(electronic voting machines -- WRONG!!!  Iceburg   Nov-21-04 07:45 PM   #94 
  - Ohio party affiliation only is determined by voting in the primary  dewaldd   Nov-21-04 08:05 PM   #96 
  - Here's a web site that may help  jdog   Nov-21-04 08:45 PM   #97 
  - Someone should check to see how closely these numbers match exit polls.  mikelewis   Nov-22-04 12:14 AM   #111 
  - Unforntunateley we will need the canvas results from ALL counties  Iceburg   Nov-21-04 09:07 PM   #98 
  - and per iceburg MAHONING Co. esp n/t  scurvy_n_disastrous   Nov-21-04 09:24 PM   #100 
  - WARREN COUNTY  lizzieforkerry   Nov-21-04 11:07 PM   #107 
  - Useless Numbers... Not yours, not mine, and a doughnut  mikelewis   Nov-21-04 10:20 PM   #103 
     - i got some  RageKage   Nov-21-04 10:34 PM   #104 
  - I thought the same thing.  Lisabtrucking   Nov-21-04 10:58 PM   #106 
  - Here is the 2003 cenus for all states  Lisabtrucking   Nov-21-04 11:32 PM   #108 
  - Maybe I can help a little. Oversize REGISTERED VOTER NUMBERS:  rhite5   Nov-21-04 11:42 PM   #109 
  - Periodic Surges in Voter Registrations / Surges in Purges  rhite5   Nov-22-04 12:18 AM   #112 
  - Access to County Election data ....  rhite5   Nov-22-04 01:19 AM   #113 
     - So Cobb and Bardinick must already have this data?  mikelewis   Nov-22-04 06:30 AM   #114 
  - Allen County info needed - Let's shut this loser up!  mikelewis   Nov-22-04 10:57 PM   #123 
  - Keith is a member of Republican Party Central & Executive Committee  mikelewis   Nov-22-04 11:21 PM   #124 
  - Keith is a wealth of knowledge!!!  mikelewis   Nov-22-04 11:27 PM   #125 
  - Keith is an ally of Blackwell  mikelewis   Nov-22-04 11:41 PM   #126 
     - Everyone makes mistakes  mikelewis   Nov-22-04 11:49 PM   #128 
  - Allen County (Ohio) - Income Statistics 2002 - $25,237  mikelewis   Nov-23-04 12:52 AM   #135 
     - Net Migration to 2002  mikelewis   Nov-23-04 12:54 AM   #136 
  - Exit pools are no reliable. Why use them to support an argument ?  reality_bites   Nov-22-04 11:46 PM   #127 
  - I've been told this many times  mikelewis   Nov-22-04 11:55 PM   #130 
  - Wrong. If not reliable, why do WE use them to verify foreign elections?  pointsoflight   Nov-23-04 12:19 AM   #134 
  - Exit polls prove fraud in foreign election, why not in the US?  The Flaming Red Head   Nov-23-04 07:18 AM   #138 
  - also sounds familiar  The Flaming Red Head   Nov-23-04 07:29 AM   #139 
  - that is a RW and MSM distraction....  leftchick   Nov-23-04 01:18 PM   #145 
  - Kerry won Pennsylvania. Why not Ohio?  NewYorkerfromMass   Nov-22-04 11:54 PM   #129 
  - Successful Voter Suppression - Our buddy Ken Blackwell  mikelewis   Nov-23-04 12:05 AM   #132 
  - More work for you  reality_bites   Nov-23-04 12:03 AM   #131 
  - The numbers I am using are estimates for 2003 and you're right, needs work  mikelewis   Nov-23-04 12:13 AM   #133 
     - But in the numbers there's a percentage of minors  kk897   Nov-23-04 10:31 AM   #141 
  - The shotgun method - in response to Union County info  mikelewis   Nov-23-04 12:31 PM   #142 
  - Great, thanks  kk897   Nov-23-04 12:49 PM   #143 
     - The census is a great place to start but info is everywhere.  mikelewis   Nov-23-04 01:10 PM   #144 
        - I'm with ya, bro  kk897   Nov-23-04 02:09 PM   #146 
           - Forgive my ingnorance buy I am a newbie after all  mikelewis   Nov-23-04 06:37 PM   #147 
              - It's done  kk897   Nov-23-04 07:50 PM   #149 
  - Have you sent this on to the Kerry team?  Alizaryn   Nov-23-04 07:47 PM   #148 
  - Ohio counties w Registration exceeding 100% of the voting age  banjobob2   Nov-23-04 07:51 PM   #150 
     - Yeah, all of us Kerry voters don't have jobs so we vote early  mikelewis   Nov-23-04 08:03 PM   #154 
        - good one, Mike  proud2Blib   Nov-23-04 09:17 PM   #156 
 

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