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gapower Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 05:08 PM
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Hijinx in Ohio?
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Seems like something weird's going on in Cleveland. If you look at the presidential election results for Cuyahoga County, you see that "for municipalities with wards," you are to "find the ballots cast total for each ward and total them." But the total among the wards in each such municipality is a good bit fewer than the total listed for the entire municipality itself.

For example, from the City of Cleveland, there were 214,902 ballots cast for president. But from the separate wards (#1 thru #21) of Cleveland, the total is 165,578. So there are 49,324 "missing" ballots. In Cuyahoga County overall there are 199,288 ballots "missing" by this principal. And they are indeed missing because they are not counted in Ohio's total vote count.

So, OK, some things don't add up, and 200,000 votes are missing from the most Democratic municipalities in the most Democratic county in the most critical state that Kerry lost by 137,000 votes. No biggie. Though mind you, this pattern does not show up in any other county in Ohio.

But here's where it gets weird. Here is the number of "missing" votes for each such municipality in Cuyahoga County:

49324 CLEVELAND
9948 NORTH OLMSTED
9948 WESTLAKE
9948 ROCKY RIVER
9948 BAY VILLAGE
9948 FAIRVIEW PARK
8553 WARRENSVILLE HEIGHTS
8553 BEDFORD
8553 BEDFORD HEIGHTS
7284 PARMA
7284 MIDDLEBURG HEIGHTS
6170 GARFIELD HEIGHTS
6007 CLEVELAND HEIGHTS
6007 EAST CLEVELAND
5724 EUCLID
5724 SOUTH EUCLID
5460 OAKWOOD VIL
5295 BROOK PARK
4744 MAPLE HEIGHTS
4314 LAKEWOOD
4009 NORTH ROYALTON
3146 BEREA
3146 OLMSTED FALLS
2540 BROADVIEW HEIGHTS
2147 SEVEN HILLS
1385 HIGHLAND HEIGHTS
1385 MAYFIELD VIL

In 18 of the 27 affected municipalities, the number of missing votes is exactly the same as the number of missing votes in another municipality.

This just doesn't look right. If I received data like this at my office, I would know that something was wrong. There may be some explanation besides fraud. If so, I hope that explanation is found and made clear to the public during the Ohio recount.

It's just something that needs to be clarified, considering that Walden O'Dell, chief executive of Diebold Inc. and active in the re-election effort of President Bush, wrote to Republicans in a fund-raising letter August 14, 2003 that he is "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president."
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  -Hijinx in Ohio? gapower  Nov-19-04 05:08 PM   #0 
  - this is strange!  rockedthevoteinMA   Nov-19-04 05:10 PM   #1 
  - Not yet  gapower   Nov-19-04 05:14 PM   #4 
  - please send this to Bev Harris at BBV...NOW.  NamVetsWeeLass   Nov-19-04 05:13 PM   #2 
  - does Hedda or Ida need it too?  rockedthevoteinMA   Nov-19-04 05:14 PM   #3 
  - What to?  gapower   Nov-19-04 05:17 PM   #10 
  - I'll get it to Hedda right away  Eloriel   Nov-19-04 08:13 PM   #65 
  - Will do.  gapower   Nov-19-04 05:15 PM   #7 
  - well...  hippiegranny   Nov-19-04 05:14 PM   #5 
  - Does this remind anyone else of 18,181? n/t  hang a left   Nov-19-04 05:15 PM   #6 
  - yeah I was just trying to remember that number n/t  tandem5   Nov-19-04 05:18 PM   #11 
  - Hasn't This Been Explained a Zillion Times on DU already  IAMREALITY   Nov-19-04 05:16 PM   #8 
  - Thing is, if it hasn't been Bev needs to see it....  NamVetsWeeLass   Nov-19-04 05:20 PM   #13 
  -  Woo   Nov-19-04 05:20 PM   #15 
  - Been looking for an answer  gapower   Nov-19-04 05:22 PM   #18 
  - Oh, By The Way  IAMREALITY   Nov-19-04 05:25 PM   #20 
     - THanks, yep,  gapower   Nov-19-04 05:27 PM   #24 
     - Oh, and  gapower   Nov-19-04 05:30 PM   #29 
  - Yes, This is the Absentee Issue  ribofunk   Nov-28-04 02:01 AM   #78 
  - The muni's that match are lumped together...  neonplaque   Nov-19-04 05:17 PM   #9 
  - Maybe so.  gapower   Nov-19-04 05:20 PM   #14 
  - you are right, those municipalities do share borders  Chili   Nov-19-04 05:26 PM   #22 
     - THey share both  gapower   Nov-19-04 05:32 PM   #30 
  - Haven't we seen those numbers - 9948 and 8553 - before?  CAcyclist   Nov-19-04 05:18 PM   #12 
  - It sounds fishy to me that they would be exact every time  GetTheRightVote   Nov-19-04 05:23 PM   #19 
  - Yeah I'm thinking that  gapower   Nov-19-04 05:43 PM   #36 
  - I remember seeing those numbers too.  shraby   Nov-19-04 05:57 PM   #44 
  - not all Democratic municipalities...  Chili   Nov-19-04 05:21 PM   #16 
  - Great! Thanks -  gapower   Nov-19-04 05:26 PM   #21 
  - you're welcome!  Chili   Nov-19-04 05:28 PM   #25 
  - More dems then you think  modman   Nov-21-04 02:16 AM   #69 
     - hey Modman...!  Chili   Nov-21-04 02:37 AM   #70 
     - Hi modman!!  newyawker99   Nov-21-04 05:47 PM   #74 
  - They really need to come up with a better way to format their data.  jhgatiss   Nov-19-04 05:22 PM   #17 
  - Yeah i had to ...  gapower   Nov-19-04 05:29 PM   #26 
  - odds of this? !*&!#$?*?  scurvy_n_disastrous   Nov-19-04 05:26 PM   #23 
  - Many of these Numbers Divisible by 3  Laura PackYourBags   Nov-19-04 05:29 PM   #27 
  - And PRIMES!!!  gapower   Nov-19-04 05:37 PM   #32 
     - How many on ballot for prez?  Laura PackYourBags   Nov-19-04 05:40 PM   #34 
  - Is ROSE MARY WOODS typing these figures? (nt)  Mike Nelson   Nov-19-04 05:30 PM   #28 
  - QUESTION:  Carolab   Nov-19-04 05:34 PM   #31 
  - Kerry beat Bush  gapower   Nov-19-04 05:39 PM   #33 
     - Another question  Carolab   Nov-19-04 05:49 PM   #38 
        - Cuyahoga is old-style  gapower   Nov-19-04 05:52 PM   #40 
        - Cuyahuga like most Ohio Counties was punch card, their card  rosebud57   Nov-19-04 06:11 PM   #49 
        - There has been mention  gapower   Nov-19-04 06:17 PM   #52 
        - Cuyahoga County: CHADS, baby  Chili   Nov-19-04 06:11 PM   #50 
           - Yes punchcards can either be sent back through the counter  rosebud57   Nov-19-04 06:23 PM   #54 
              - Rosebud...  Chili   Nov-19-04 08:26 PM   #67 
  - kick  scurvy_n_disastrous   Nov-19-04 05:42 PM   #35 
  - another thread that makes the observation 200,000 votes missing from '00  truehawk   Nov-19-04 05:46 PM   #37 
  - Yeah, I've seen 2 different figures  gapower   Nov-19-04 05:51 PM   #39 
  - to clarify, the message is that there are about  momzno1   Nov-19-04 05:55 PM   #42 
  - Yes  truehawk   Nov-19-04 06:01 PM   #45 
     - further clarification -  gapower   Nov-19-04 06:07 PM   #48 
  - No, that post is wrong...  mostly_lurking   Nov-19-04 06:18 PM   #53 
     - There are actually 2 sources (both wrong i suspect)  gapower   Nov-19-04 06:34 PM   #55 
     - The 850K+ numbers are certainly suspect  mostly_lurking   Nov-19-04 06:38 PM   #57 
        - Zactly.  gapower   Nov-19-04 06:43 PM   #59 
     - The other way you can get approx 850k (also probwrong), this time for 2004  gapower   Nov-19-04 06:39 PM   #58 
  - Registered Voters vs. People who actually voted?  TennisGuy2004   Nov-19-04 05:53 PM   #41 
  - There's another thread going on this...  jdog   Nov-19-04 05:55 PM   #43 
  - Different question but thanks!  gapower   Nov-19-04 06:14 PM   #51 
  - Their spreadsheet is a mess, but  gapower   Nov-19-04 06:03 PM   #47 
  - How many * needed in cities down to science  Laura PackYourBags   Nov-19-04 06:03 PM   #46 
  - YES!  jdog   Nov-19-04 06:34 PM   #56 
  - Thanks all, I think I get it now  gapower   Nov-19-04 06:48 PM   #60 
  - they said that that was because of the way that they allocated absentee  truehawk   Nov-19-04 07:10 PM   #61 
  - But isn't that the bad data?  jdog   Nov-19-04 07:11 PM   #62 
  - kick  scurvy_n_disastrous   Nov-19-04 08:00 PM   #63 
  - These systems weren't supposed to have bugs  DoYouEverWonder   Nov-19-04 08:08 PM   #64 
     - Doesn't Kerry have lawyers in Ohio?  99Pancakes   Nov-19-04 08:25 PM   #66 
  - kick  Lil   Nov-21-04 01:41 AM   #68 
  - The absentee votes are counted multiple times  woody b   Nov-21-04 03:06 AM   #71 
  - Find Sondra Robinson!  kk897   Nov-21-04 01:07 PM   #72 
  - Re:This allocation of the absentee ballots  Lil   Nov-21-04 01:18 PM   #73 
     - Do you know if absentee ballots have always been divided up this way?  Lil   Nov-25-04 02:28 AM   #75 
  - kick  Lil   Nov-26-04 04:14 AM   #76 
  - CUYAHOGA COUNTY: MASSIVE Punchcard machine outages  Lil   Nov-28-04 01:38 AM   #77 
  - Warren County  KaliTracy   Nov-28-04 10:16 AM   #79 
  - Did anyone find Sondra Robinson? Repeated post 72 below  Lil   Nov-29-04 09:01 PM   #80 
 

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