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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-11 04:53 PM
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20. These details are someone else's problem -- NOT TIA's.
Edited on Sun May-22-11 05:46 PM by Bill Bored
Like many who claim to be advocating election integrity, Charmin is only concerned with one aspect of the problem. In his case, it's exit poll discrepancies and other survey results such as EIRS, which as you've said, may not even make sense given the voting technology involved, and are themselves unverifiable.

The best way to verify elections, other than building a machine like the levers that can be visibly demonstrated to be physically incapable of switching votes (which was done over 100 years ago), is to hand-count the original voter-verified paper ballots (VVPBs), check the central tabulation of precincts at the county level, and check the tabulation of county-wide results at the state level. Not rocket science. For a long time, most of the folks in this movement were on board with this, and 100% hand counts are not even necessary in most cases.

But even this method, which has yet to be employed in most of our elections, is now in the process of being undermined by those planning to recount "ballot images," "cast-vote records," and other vapor products which, like the counting processes themselves, exist only in software -- instead of hand-recounting paper. And most of these folks claim they are in favor of "verified voting." (Really?)

Almost no one's paying attention to this stuff anymore now that Bush is out of office -- least of all, Democrats. It's going on under the radar and some Dems have been aiding and abetting it.

Neither Charmin, nor most DUers are aware of these plans, because they are the brainchildren of computer scientists and programmers who have their own ideas about what constitutes transparency and integrity, which may not be shared by the rest of the electorate. (And of course, no one bothers to ASK!)

It's more of the "just trust us" philosophy of election administration -- not unlike Charmin and the other exit-poll true believers' memes.

And make no mistake -- there is money involved. No one's going to get rich promoting hand counts (even partial ones) or mechanical voting devices that can be shown not to switch votes, are they? Heck, you can't even get a gig with a 501(c)(3) doing that! :)
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