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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 08:23 AM
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18. beware of people who try to use you as a sock puppet
A few years ago, a user was banned for that. I'm sure you can work out some acceptable arrangements with the mods. I don't want anyone else to pay for Charnin's efforts to sell his books, however sincere they may be.

He (Bill Bored) has misdirected DUers for years by failing to mention that NY votes cast on Levers were tabulated on computers.

Reality check: vote totals -- even hand-counted vote totals -- generally end up being "tabulated on computers." Charnin's spreadsheets are "tabulated on computers" too. The question is whether and how one can check the tabulation.

It's a pretty subtle question: New York's canvass procedure isn't foolproof. But it's selectively gullible to conclude that it was off by double digits in 2004 -- and that Kerry won the state by over 30 points -- based solely on Charnin's interpretation of the exit poll data plus a hand-waving invocation of "computers."

What has Bill ever done other than snipe.
When has he ever refuted my work?

When has TIA ever done other than snipe? When has he ever refuted BB or any of his other critics?

TIA, from beyond the grave, is still trying to drag this board to a place where substantive discussion is impossible, and all we can do is parse subjective conjugations: "I refute, you quibble, they snipe." Yes, this bothers me. Why shouldn't it?
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  -Richard Charnin (DU's TruthIsAll) to speak on election fraud, May 26 in Florida: bleever  May-08-11 02:26 PM   #0 
  - I hope he has better stuff to work with  Pab Sungenis   May-08-11 02:48 PM   #1 
  - I think you're misquoting him. It's more like "...that proves Kerry won."  Bill Bored   May-12-11 04:21 PM   #2 
     - Do you honestly think your attitude helps anything?  emcguffie   May-14-11 09:45 AM   #4 
        - scary: "these guys prove all kinds of things with numbers"  OnTheOtherHand   May-14-11 12:04 PM   #5 
        - So if I don't believe some physicist's proof about mesons or --  emcguffie   May-15-11 10:25 AM   #8 
           - "Anything I don't understand or can't see on my own...I shouldn't believe?"  Bill Bored   May-16-11 12:17 AM   #15 
           - Bertrand Russell had a pretty good start  OnTheOtherHand   May-16-11 05:14 AM   #16 
        - You bet! Here's why:  Bill Bored   May-14-11 11:10 PM   #7 
           - Hmm, I think people do use his numbers.  emcguffie   May-15-11 10:30 AM   #9 
              - Well, the reason we have an annonymous forum is so we don't have to reveal our contributions  Bill Bored   May-15-11 01:59 PM   #12 
              - What are you trying to say?  emcguffie   May-15-11 05:59 PM   #13 
                 - The OP was about Charmin's work with exit polls, wasn't it?  Bill Bored   May-15-11 08:12 PM   #14 
              - "They are using his numbers in Wisconsin"  OnTheOtherHand   May-16-11 05:28 AM   #17 
  - kick  Bill Bored   May-12-11 04:26 PM   #3 
  - Richard Charnin's reply.  emcguffie   May-15-11 10:47 AM   #10 
     - beware of people who try to use you as a sock puppet  OnTheOtherHand   May-16-11 08:23 AM   #18 
     - TIA bashing levers, as usual. ES&S applauds.  Wilms   May-21-11 10:00 AM   #19 
        - These details are someone else's problem -- NOT TIA's.  Bill Bored   May-22-11 04:53 PM   #20 
  - Fun to watch the sniping.  bleever   May-14-11 06:42 PM   #6 
  - Here is some interesting reading about Wisconsin.  emcguffie   May-15-11 11:09 AM   #11 

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