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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 08:44 AM
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15. Not all DRE. They're there for accessibility. Otherwise op scan.
And those DREs, AVC Edge, have thermal tape IIRC. In some jurisdiction, voters were shunted over to them due to an insufficient number of ballots on hand. I don't know if that happened here, or that it didn't, or if the DRE tallies were initially missed or anything, really. Seems like a whole lot of questions need to be answered. And many of those questions could bump up against chain-of-custody questions rendering answers questionable. Poster child.

That DREs are in the mix at all makes it that much harder to feel warm and fuzzy about any tally, let alone the one (er, two) offered in this case. And the delay in reporting certainly would have given a clean-up crew time.

One of the last times I saw OTOH we were talking about audits. Now I certainly wouldn't want to put words in his mouth but he seemed to be saying that there are some good audits out there. And we went back and forth (you know how that goes) with me asking him to point to one state, other than NM or NJ, where the audits had a really good chance of catching an error in an election with a close margin. He never offered one or conceded the point I was making. It seemed odd because he was among a number of people who busted bottom writing and getting a really robust audit law passed in NJ. From the discussion we were having, you'd have to wonder why he'd gone through that trouble. His refusal to concede the point I was trying to make seemed to be making light of the effort he made in NJ.

Him beat up? Dunno. He OTOHs stuff for sport. I, myself, was pretty worn out by the experience. That doesn't mean I don't miss seeing him around. When he's not being stubbornly other-handed, he offers some pretty keen insight being the smart guy I think he is.

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  -Okay whats the deal in Wisconsin? Ellipsis  Apr-07-11 11:03 PM   #0 
  - Sure seems compromised.  Wilms   Apr-07-11 11:38 PM   #1 
  - Are they really all DRE's with thermal tape readers?  Ellipsis   Apr-08-11 01:16 AM   #12 
     - Not all DRE. They're there for accessibility. Otherwise op scan.  Wilms   Apr-08-11 08:44 AM   #15 
        - He was a good sport, kinda bummed searched for his name and he wasn't there.  Ellipsis   Apr-08-11 04:21 PM   #16 
        - Aint no difference tween a DRE and an opscan, really. they are both computers,  robinlynne   May-19-11 01:31 PM   #65 
           - Thanks. I think I got it. n/t  Wilms   May-21-11 09:31 AM   #66 
  - This Vote Snafu Aside  Kalun D   Apr-07-11 11:43 PM   #2 
  - Apparently it is a 50/50 PURPLE state. n/t  Tx4obama   Apr-07-11 11:45 PM   #4 
  - Judges run as Independents, they have no party affilation...  Ellipsis   Apr-08-11 12:38 AM   #7 
  - Here's the run down  Tx4obama   Apr-07-11 11:44 PM   #3 
  - and seeing as how this thread is still active,  Lefta Dissenter   Apr-29-11 07:23 AM   #45 
  - Suspect all ya want.  karnac   Apr-08-11 12:07 AM   #5 
  - I talked to geek once and he mentioned some old board he...  Ellipsis   Apr-08-11 12:45 AM   #8 
  - I 'm not suspecting, I'm trouble shooting. It should be done, while it's fresh.  Ellipsis   Apr-08-11 12:53 AM   #9 
  - but if you  Lefta Dissenter   Apr-29-11 07:50 AM   #46 
  - We'll find it ...or maybe you will. Hah  Ellipsis   Apr-29-11 01:32 PM   #48 
  - Then hand counted paper ballots with 3 watchers would work a lot better, yes?  robinlynne   May-05-11 11:30 PM   #63 
  - How is it possible that votes were shown to have been 100% in from  JDPriestly   Apr-08-11 12:17 AM   #6 
  - There are 191 precincts as I understand.  Ellipsis   Apr-08-11 01:05 AM   #10 
  - looks like your looking for stats  karnac   Apr-08-11 01:08 AM   #11 
  - The coyote has some data.  Ellipsis   Apr-08-11 01:21 AM   #13 
  - Link to County Gov PDF. Over 18,000 votes cast in Waukesha County for ONLY Supreme Court  Ellipsis   Apr-08-11 01:28 AM   #14 
  - Heard a speech from Electronic Frontier Foundation guy  catrose   Apr-09-11 04:54 PM   #17 
  - Hrdware in Waukesha County  Ellipsis   Apr-09-11 07:55 PM   #18 
  - not sure where you're going with this  OnTheOtherHand   Apr-09-11 09:58 PM   #19 
     - I haven't a clue... I'm just bringing some content together...  Ellipsis   Apr-09-11 10:29 PM   #20 
     - that's fair  OnTheOtherHand   Apr-09-11 11:11 PM   #21 
        - "...obviously it was [indeed] a very close election..."  Wilms   Apr-10-11 11:43 AM   #27 
           - depends...  OnTheOtherHand   Apr-10-11 01:50 PM   #29 
     - Have to agree.  Wilms   Apr-10-11 11:40 AM   #26 
  - Here's an interesting Factoid...or fiction, who knows?  Ellipsis   Apr-10-11 12:11 AM   #22 
  - Debunked  Ellipsis   Apr-10-11 12:54 AM   #23 
  - self delete n/t  Melissa G   Apr-14-11 12:27 PM   #36 
  - Waukesha County Clerk Embroiled in Controversy for Years  Ellipsis   Apr-10-11 12:56 AM   #24 
  - The Milwaukee County DA & GAB to hold News conference on, separate, unrelated to "the 14000" story  Ellipsis   Apr-11-11 10:00 AM   #31 
  - Railroad executive charged with campaign law violations (WISCONSIN)  Ellipsis   Apr-11-11 01:18 PM   #32 
  - And, in Wisconsin, the plot thickens...  Ellipsis   Apr-11-11 03:01 PM   #33 
  - Kathys special software  Ellipsis   Apr-29-11 01:51 PM   #51 
  - Prosser outperformed other Republican candidates in Waukesha County in recent history  Ellipsis   Apr-10-11 11:51 AM   #28 
  - Hurtsti Hack  Ellipsis   Apr-10-11 05:43 PM   #30 
  - Hinky!  Ellipsis   Apr-12-11 07:18 AM   #34 
  - Stinky!  Ellipsis   Apr-12-11 03:01 PM   #35 
     - Pinky!  Ellipsis   Apr-22-11 08:46 PM   #38 
        - I so did not see that coming... n/t  OnTheOtherHand   Apr-23-11 11:53 AM   #39 
  - (Wis.) Deal reached for hand recount in 31 counties for Kloppenburg Prosser race.  Ellipsis   Apr-21-11 08:10 PM   #37 
  - BRADBLOGS's Excellent compendium on Waukesha County and the recount... a must read  Ellipsis   Apr-23-11 12:45 PM   #40 
  - Marathon County, only county in the state that uses ES&S M100 opscans  Ellipsis   Apr-23-11 01:05 PM   #41 
  - Sorry, Columbus uses all 100's ..Portage has one, Manitowoc a couple, Douglas has several...  Ellipsis   Apr-23-11 02:24 PM   #42 
  - Wisconsin GAB Recount Daily Update (Excel Spreadsheet) link  Ellipsis   Apr-29-11 12:21 AM   #43 
  - I wonder why  Lefta Dissenter   Apr-29-11 07:11 AM   #44 
     - darn  Lefta Dissenter   Apr-29-11 08:15 AM   #47 
        - Here is GAB's explanation  Ellipsis   Apr-29-11 01:45 PM   #49 
           - Would you explain specifically  Lefta Dissenter   Apr-30-11 07:15 AM   #52 
              - The bulk of his stuff is based off exit polling data.  Ellipsis   Apr-30-11 03:25 PM   #53 
                 - I don't think TIA was tombstoned for 'fighting back'  OnTheOtherHand   Apr-30-11 04:16 PM   #54 
                    - People tend to forget that the Supreme court race in Wisconsin doesn't list political affiliation.  Ellipsis   Apr-30-11 05:03 PM   #55 
                       - Falk vs Doyle Imagery and speculation  Ellipsis   Apr-30-11 06:23 PM   #56 
                       - cool analysis  OnTheOtherHand   May-02-11 06:03 AM   #58 
                          - FYI - Population density, income, retirees, farm forest housing visuals  Ellipsis   May-02-11 03:18 PM   #59 
                          - dammit, that gave me a sick idea  OnTheOtherHand   May-02-11 04:27 PM   #60 
                          - FWIW - Lower Falk votes in Dane Co  eowyn_of_rohan   May-03-11 07:05 AM   #61 
                       - I made a scatterplot  OnTheOtherHand   Apr-30-11 07:20 PM   #57 
  - Voting Equipment in use by Wisconsin Municipality  Ellipsis   Apr-29-11 01:49 PM   #50 
  - kicking this again  Lefta Dissenter   May-05-11 10:27 AM   #62 
  - I suspect a few of those may have been honest blunders, but  gkhouston   May-09-11 01:11 PM   #64 
  - Election Shell Game  dael   May-22-11 12:46 AM   #67 
  - Rachel...she said hinky. Heh. (video enclosed) "It was human error."  Ellipsis   Oct-13-11 08:15 PM   #68 
     - No really it was human error... honest... really, I'm not kidding.  Ellipsis   Oct-13-11 09:23 PM   #69 

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