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emcguffie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 08:57 PM
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20. Maybe I'm really stupid.
But I honestly don't think so.

I don't get what your point is, honestly. Granted, I definitely have not been hanging out in the election reform world, because I find the whole thing rather too horrifying. I think anyone who believes elections are mostly honest is very naive, indeed. There was a time I could have pointed at some numbers to back up my opinion, back in 2004, but I can't do that now.

I do know that when we finally got these stupid machines in NJ, Christie got elected. Do I know anyone who voted for him? No. I'm sure lots of people did. But generally speaking the people who move to NJ to live and work, possibly in New York, but certainly in the metropolitan area, do it knowing that they will be paying high taxes so that their children will be well educated. Now I'm to believe these same people elected someone who wants to cut taxes for the rich at the expense of education?

Another thing is we all know, at least I think we do, that lots of Republicans have very little compunction about lying. Do you think Karl Rove loses sleep about telling a lie? These people stand to gain millions and millions of dollars and lots of power. We now know the Chamber of Commerce has been conspiring against liberals. We also know that Walker outright lied about his emails.

I think I could go on and on, especially if I tried. I'm not exactly trying hard here.

Then we should just trust that these political operatives that we know will lie will operate easily hackable voting machines honestly? At the same time that we see them caging votes (sorry, I don't even know the terminology), getting folks whose names resemble those of felons thrown off voter rolls, having them tell likely Democratic voters to vote on the wrong day -- the list is endless. What would they not do? And we should assume the elections are honest and fair? GIve me a break.

Yes, I think TIA's right.

And DU isn't the be all and end all of Dewmocratic thought, not by a longshot, not to me and many other people who are perfectly honest, dedicated, thinking Democrats. But once again I am reminded of why I do not post. I seem to live in an alternate universe, somehow. One where people tend to vote for their own self interests and where confirmed liars are not considered trustworthy.

Now, I apologize, if I have lost my head and posted this to the wrong reply. I'm not familiar with any of you specifically. But I disagree quite strongly. They have been stealing elections. Bush lost twice. Kerry won by 4 million. Obama won by a true landslide.

And Chris Christie? -- give me a break. Not with our new electronic machines with no paper trail.

They're already setting thigns up for 2012. OBama has dipped behind a Republican challenger in PA? Bullshit. Lies. Oh, no, they don't ever lie! I forgot. :sarcasm:

But I guess I should crawl back under my rock. You've clearly got things under control. The universe is as it should be. Republicans are honest folk. So are pollsters. And it doesn't matter that we have computers counting our votes, because we know TIA has to be wrong, right? He has to be wrong because some people here think he is. If he's wrong, then the elections are honest, yes? Then what is this forum about? This is all just way too confusing for poor little old me! I just can't think as well as you can, or add, or make distinctions, or anything like that! I need a big, strong smart someone to do it for me, and to tell me!


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  -VOTING MACHINES = TRIGGER - We must get rid of those g-damned computer voting machines! kpete  Mar-12-11 11:37 AM   #0 
  - K&R  jemelanson   Mar-12-11 11:39 AM   #1 
  - Case in point:  Blue Owl   Mar-12-11 11:48 AM   #2 
  - I've had my suspicions since November  DemReadingDU   Mar-12-11 11:52 AM   #3 
  - You know we have paper ballots in WIsconsin, right?  eyesroll   Mar-12-11 11:54 AM   #4 
  - The fudging come in at the collection point  Demeter   Mar-12-11 12:19 PM   #5 
  - Yes, Florida got a paper ballot and still certifies electronic totals! Only audits 1-2%  SugarShack   Apr-19-11 12:06 PM   #22 
  - Do you have a link to the post you're citing?  Wilms   Mar-12-11 12:59 PM   #7 
  - What percentage of the scanned ballots is compared to the machine totals? That is the question.  Peace Patriot   Mar-12-11 02:03 PM   #9 
  - AMEN! I agree wholeheartedly. When those came in, our freedoms went out.  Frustratedlady   Mar-12-11 12:23 PM   #6 
  - Great reminder.  think4yourself   Mar-12-11 01:06 PM   #8 
  - I have a question but I can't post  emcguffie   Mar-12-11 02:30 PM   #10 
     - Pitching TIA's methodology would be the surest way of having the issue ignored.  Wilms   Mar-12-11 02:38 PM   #11 
        - But what he says makes sense.  emcguffie   Mar-13-11 01:09 PM   #12 
           - Like I stated, counting enough ballots would be a really good idea.  Wilms   Mar-13-11 02:09 PM   #13 
              - Well, I'm guessing that's what a lot of activists are working on.  emcguffie   Mar-13-11 11:36 PM   #14 
                 - for what it's worth...  OnTheOtherHand   Mar-14-11 07:58 AM   #15 
                 - Well, I disagree.  emcguffie   Apr-13-11 08:41 PM   #19 
                 - Part of the problem is that TIA's work is offered up as some absolute proof.  Wilms   Mar-14-11 09:09 AM   #16 
                 - Maybe I'm really stupid.  emcguffie   Apr-13-11 08:57 PM   #20 
                    - You asked why some give TIA a thumbs down. I told you why I did.  Wilms   Apr-14-11 09:00 AM   #21 
                 - Electronic voting  Democracydiva   Mar-16-11 01:27 AM   #17 
                    - Well, thank you for that.  emcguffie   Mar-16-11 05:07 PM   #18 

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