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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 02:09 PM
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13. Like I stated, counting enough ballots would be a really good idea.
Edited on Sun Mar-13-11 02:09 PM by Wilms
We have extremely week audits, if any, in this country. They're useful, mostly, to confirm races that are state-wide and have a wide margin. Narrow margin races and more regional ones may be subjected to audits that aren't likely to provide a high confidence in the reported computer result.

To use an exit poll expecting to determine much seems like the royal road to getting nowhere. And TIA's work, particularly as he turns his attention to races further and further into the past, makes my point.

I've been happy to see them suggest that we have a problem. But a proper audit would accomplish that in a verifiable manner. Relying on exit polls is as questionable as relying on computer counts.

We need to hand count enough ballots to adequately audit the returns.

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  -VOTING MACHINES = TRIGGER - We must get rid of those g-damned computer voting machines! kpete  Mar-12-11 11:37 AM   #0 
  - K&R  jemelanson   Mar-12-11 11:39 AM   #1 
  - Case in point:  Blue Owl   Mar-12-11 11:48 AM   #2 
  - I've had my suspicions since November  DemReadingDU   Mar-12-11 11:52 AM   #3 
  - You know we have paper ballots in WIsconsin, right?  eyesroll   Mar-12-11 11:54 AM   #4 
  - The fudging come in at the collection point  Demeter   Mar-12-11 12:19 PM   #5 
  - Yes, Florida got a paper ballot and still certifies electronic totals! Only audits 1-2%  SugarShack   Apr-19-11 12:06 PM   #22 
  - Do you have a link to the post you're citing?  Wilms   Mar-12-11 12:59 PM   #7 
  - What percentage of the scanned ballots is compared to the machine totals? That is the question.  Peace Patriot   Mar-12-11 02:03 PM   #9 
  - AMEN! I agree wholeheartedly. When those came in, our freedoms went out.  Frustratedlady   Mar-12-11 12:23 PM   #6 
  - Great reminder.  think4yourself   Mar-12-11 01:06 PM   #8 
  - I have a question but I can't post  emcguffie   Mar-12-11 02:30 PM   #10 
     - Pitching TIA's methodology would be the surest way of having the issue ignored.  Wilms   Mar-12-11 02:38 PM   #11 
        - But what he says makes sense.  emcguffie   Mar-13-11 01:09 PM   #12 
           - Like I stated, counting enough ballots would be a really good idea.  Wilms   Mar-13-11 02:09 PM   #13 
              - Well, I'm guessing that's what a lot of activists are working on.  emcguffie   Mar-13-11 11:36 PM   #14 
                 - for what it's worth...  OnTheOtherHand   Mar-14-11 07:58 AM   #15 
                 - Well, I disagree.  emcguffie   Apr-13-11 08:41 PM   #19 
                 - Part of the problem is that TIA's work is offered up as some absolute proof.  Wilms   Mar-14-11 09:09 AM   #16 
                 - Maybe I'm really stupid.  emcguffie   Apr-13-11 08:57 PM   #20 
                    - You asked why some give TIA a thumbs down. I told you why I did.  Wilms   Apr-14-11 09:00 AM   #21 
                 - Electronic voting  Democracydiva   Mar-16-11 01:27 AM   #17 
                    - Well, thank you for that.  emcguffie   Mar-16-11 05:07 PM   #18 

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