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Lefta Dissenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-11 07:41 AM
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10. In order to steal it
Edited on Wed Mar-09-11 07:47 AM by Lefta Dissenter
someone would have to either rig the individual prom packs (the electronic counter in each voting machine) or rig the central tabulator.

I find it UNLIKELY (though not impossible, of course) that the prom packs would be rigged. We get those directly from the County, so someone at (or behind) the County would have to manipulate each one to miscount the ballots. HA, certainly didn't happen in Walker's county, where he got something like 33% of the vote.

If we decide we are going to trust the prom packs, then the other place to rig is the central tabulator. The results from each precinct are either electronically transferred or simply called in to the County, and those numbers entered in the tabulator.

After the 2004 election, I verified the results of probably 50 municipalities - making sure that what the precinct reported at the end of the day was the same as what was being reported by the central tabulator.

It's easy enough to set up a network of people to do that verification. Also, the ballots are public record, so if someone wants to do a handcount, have at it!

I'm not saying rigging can't be done with our system - not saying that at all. I'm just saying that I think our problem was voter apathy, and I'm petrified that we'll have the same problem in 2012 if people don't wake the hell up.

edited to add: not just voter apathy regarding actually voting, but apathy regarding LEARNING anything about the candidates! If ANYONE had paid the least bit of attention to what Walker had done as Co Exec in Milw Co, the vote totals over the entire state would have been as bad for Walker as they were in his own county. I KNOW some Union State Workers who voted for Walker because all they did was listen to his thin promises to bring jobs to the state. If they had bothered to see what he did, and what he SAID a couple of years ago that he wanted to do (eg privatize prisons), they would have known what was coming down the pike.
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  -Why bother with a recall in Wisconsin? AtLiberty  Mar-09-11 05:25 AM   #0 
  - Hand-counted, paper ballots please!!!  Scuba   Mar-09-11 05:29 AM   #1 
  - what I'm really worried about is the social conditioning that has happened  Syrinx   Mar-09-11 05:37 AM   #2 
  - I couldn't agree more!  Sancho   Mar-09-11 05:40 AM   #3 
  - Thanks, Sancho  AtLiberty   Mar-09-11 08:29 AM   #15 
  - Who ever just did and unrec is probably wondering why it stayed at 3  liberal N proud   Mar-09-11 05:48 AM   #4 
  - I just rec'd and it stayed at 3  BeFree   Mar-09-11 07:21 AM   #7 
  - Do you know what you are talking about concerning WI? I live here, and I do.  elocs   Mar-09-11 06:49 AM   #5 
  - bingo  Lefta Dissenter   Mar-09-11 07:15 AM   #6 
  - bingo is more secure  BeFree   Mar-09-11 07:25 AM   #8 
  - In order to steal it  Lefta Dissenter   Mar-09-11 07:41 AM   #10 
     - There are 1000+ municipalities who count votes in this state  sybylla   Mar-09-11 10:06 AM   #19 
        - Hello!  BeFree   Mar-09-11 06:56 PM   #23 
  - Ding! ing! Ding! "I hate to say it, but we have to stop being so nice!"  Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel   Mar-09-11 07:28 AM   #9 
  - Election results in Wisconsin are wirelessly transmitted  AtLiberty   Mar-09-11 08:07 AM   #12 
     - lol. record midterm turnout  GillesDeleuze   Mar-09-11 09:30 AM   #18 
     - Some electronic, some still called in  Lefta Dissenter   Mar-09-11 12:08 PM   #20 
  - I hope Democrats learn the lesson from now on that you ALWAYS vote.  elocs   Mar-09-11 07:55 AM   #11 
     - Absolutely...  AtLiberty   Mar-09-11 08:14 AM   #13 
  - We have paper ballots  ewagner   Mar-09-11 09:01 AM   #16 
  - EXACTLY.  GillesDeleuze   Mar-09-11 09:20 AM   #17 
  - Wisconsin Votes Transmitted Wirelessly  AtLiberty   Mar-09-11 08:23 AM   #14 
  - I just gave it another rec for good measure  louslobbs   Mar-09-11 03:55 PM   #21 
  - And I wouldn't trust an election without a paper trail to verify the results  louslobbs   Mar-09-11 04:08 PM   #22 
  - LOL the GOP doesn't really want this.  tcaudilllg   Mar-10-11 02:51 AM   #24 

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