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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 06:06 PM
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8. What audit laws are there in PA?
Are they adequate? Or, upon getting OpScans in place state-wide, will you then have to start a campaign for audits and recounts?

That's how Bo Lipari left New Yorkers, particularly Democrats, high and dry. After selling them on OpScans over levers, the very first election using the Lipari/ES&S Computer Tally System resulted in the state's senate being turned over to Republican control, by a court, and without a much needed audit. He was repeatedly warned for years that he was putting New Yorkers at risk of this very eventuality, but kept up his "my way or the highway" attitude alienating many serious advocates. He, apparently, couldn't care less, except for the cover your ass blogging he does after the fact.

Arguing for OpScans without adequate audit and recount law is a half-measure that'll lead to the very problem NY, like FL2000 and OH2004, had in an important election.

Don't Lipari PA voters with lies or half-truths. Tell them the whole ugly story about how you get VERIFIED tallies.

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  -Paper Audits Map = Verified Voting Foundation L. Coyote  Dec-15-10 05:32 PM   #0 
  - Paper Records and VVPATs are not acceptable. DREs must GO.  Yellow Horse   Dec-15-10 05:48 PM   #1 
  - Sorry. But these maps are VERY misleading.  Wilms   Dec-16-10 11:20 AM   #2 
  - Pennsylvania CAN'T audit.  demodonkey   Dec-16-10 12:39 PM   #3 
     - I care what the statistically significant audit number is.  Wilms   Dec-16-10 02:50 PM   #4 
        - It's a thread about the VV Map, a map that implies PA somehow does some sort of 'limited' audits...  demodonkey   Dec-16-10 08:19 PM   #5 
           - An unaudited, unrecountable OpScan system is no better than a paperless DRE.  Wilms   Dec-22-10 12:20 AM   #9 
           - If VV got PA wrong, maybe you should ask them to correct the map. nt  Bill Bored   Dec-22-10 09:04 PM   #14 
  - Whatever...  saras   Dec-17-10 05:47 PM   #6 
  - You have paper ballots and you can work for more in terms of how it is counted.  demodonkey   Dec-21-10 01:53 PM   #7 
     - What audit laws are there in PA?  Wilms   Dec-21-10 06:06 PM   #8 
        - It's a weak 2% or 2000 votes in each county, whichever is less, and a mandatory recount in close...  demodonkey   Dec-22-10 08:01 AM   #10 
           - In other words, if the margin is greater than 1/2 percent you don't get a recount.  Wilms   Dec-22-10 09:58 AM   #11 
              - You are putting words in my mouth. Please calm down, and stop this.  demodonkey   Dec-22-10 06:38 PM   #12 
                 - I'm quite calm. Nice try. Were you, perhaps you'd avoid the flawed logic underpinning your position.  Wilms   Dec-22-10 07:14 PM   #13 
                 - Kuznik v. Westmoreland may not have made the right arguments.  Bill Bored   Dec-22-10 09:32 PM   #15 
                    - The whole case was based on my State Constitution. Please read it before you release your hot air.  demodonkey   Dec-23-10 07:14 AM   #16 
                    - Did someone just threaten to out someone?  Wilms   Dec-23-10 12:19 PM   #17 
                    - My recollection of this case is that some judge decided that federal law trumps a state constituion.  Bill Bored   Dec-23-10 10:44 PM   #19 
                       - Crickets.  Bill Bored   Jan-06-11 12:55 AM   #24 
                    - Bill, why assume the VotePA atty didn't read HAVA? Lot's of people read it...and still get it WRONG!  Wilms   Dec-23-10 12:33 PM   #18 
                       - I didn't mean that their attorney litterally didn't read HAVA.  Bill Bored   Dec-24-10 01:20 AM   #20 
  - Bullies and thugs on this thread are the real danger to democracy...  UnitedVoters   Dec-27-10 10:56 AM   #21 
     - Some editorial framing.  Wilms   Dec-27-10 03:33 PM   #22 
     - Hang on a second: Wilms merely commented on the MAPS in the OP. Then all "hell" broke loose! Read:  Bill Bored   Dec-27-10 04:37 PM   #23 
 

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