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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 05:47 PM
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6. Whatever...
My state uses 'paper' ballots, but they're only ever counted by machine, even in so-called audits.

And during the protests about implementing the machine-count system, the officials only talked about protection against outside hackers, while the protesters mostly were concerned with manipulation by people inside the vote-counting system. At which point they (quite literally) just grinned and said "you'll have to trust us".
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  -Paper Audits Map = Verified Voting Foundation L. Coyote  Dec-15-10 05:32 PM   #0 
  - Paper Records and VVPATs are not acceptable. DREs must GO.  Yellow Horse   Dec-15-10 05:48 PM   #1 
  - Sorry. But these maps are VERY misleading.  Wilms   Dec-16-10 11:20 AM   #2 
  - Pennsylvania CAN'T audit.  demodonkey   Dec-16-10 12:39 PM   #3 
     - I care what the statistically significant audit number is.  Wilms   Dec-16-10 02:50 PM   #4 
        - It's a thread about the VV Map, a map that implies PA somehow does some sort of 'limited' audits...  demodonkey   Dec-16-10 08:19 PM   #5 
           - An unaudited, unrecountable OpScan system is no better than a paperless DRE.  Wilms   Dec-22-10 12:20 AM   #9 
           - If VV got PA wrong, maybe you should ask them to correct the map. nt  Bill Bored   Dec-22-10 09:04 PM   #14 
  - Whatever...  saras   Dec-17-10 05:47 PM   #6 
  - You have paper ballots and you can work for more in terms of how it is counted.  demodonkey   Dec-21-10 01:53 PM   #7 
     - What audit laws are there in PA?  Wilms   Dec-21-10 06:06 PM   #8 
        - It's a weak 2% or 2000 votes in each county, whichever is less, and a mandatory recount in close...  demodonkey   Dec-22-10 08:01 AM   #10 
           - In other words, if the margin is greater than 1/2 percent you don't get a recount.  Wilms   Dec-22-10 09:58 AM   #11 
              - You are putting words in my mouth. Please calm down, and stop this.  demodonkey   Dec-22-10 06:38 PM   #12 
                 - I'm quite calm. Nice try. Were you, perhaps you'd avoid the flawed logic underpinning your position.  Wilms   Dec-22-10 07:14 PM   #13 
                 - Kuznik v. Westmoreland may not have made the right arguments.  Bill Bored   Dec-22-10 09:32 PM   #15 
                    - The whole case was based on my State Constitution. Please read it before you release your hot air.  demodonkey   Dec-23-10 07:14 AM   #16 
                    - Did someone just threaten to out someone?  Wilms   Dec-23-10 12:19 PM   #17 
                    - My recollection of this case is that some judge decided that federal law trumps a state constituion.  Bill Bored   Dec-23-10 10:44 PM   #19 
                       - Crickets.  Bill Bored   Jan-06-11 12:55 AM   #24 
                    - Bill, why assume the VotePA atty didn't read HAVA? Lot's of people read it...and still get it WRONG!  Wilms   Dec-23-10 12:33 PM   #18 
                       - I didn't mean that their attorney litterally didn't read HAVA.  Bill Bored   Dec-24-10 01:20 AM   #20 
  - Bullies and thugs on this thread are the real danger to democracy...  UnitedVoters   Dec-27-10 10:56 AM   #21 
     - Some editorial framing.  Wilms   Dec-27-10 03:33 PM   #22 
     - Hang on a second: Wilms merely commented on the MAPS in the OP. Then all "hell" broke loose! Read:  Bill Bored   Dec-27-10 04:37 PM   #23 
 

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