Reply #8: No doubt Democrats could effectively argue their reps don't stand for something.

[Wilms]

I agree. Many a vote and voter succumbed to that fact. Perhaps non-democratic calculations by candidates leave them refusing to call for recounts. Weak recount laws and ineffective audit regimes are accomplices. But that's the political reality...subject to endless debate.

What's being discussed here, however, are technical realities which are highly resistant to opinion. You can research that which I stated upthread and correctly determine that what we have in this country are unverified election results. No matter that you vote on the vaunted paper ballot. Lost in the NYVV rhetoric is the fact that computers announce winners and losers.

We can talk all night about politics, but the computerized processing of our Democracy holds certain immutable facts. Chief among them is that computerized election results ARE mutable.