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7. PA's in the same boat, and the new wrinkle here now is no one will even talk about voting machines.
Edited on Thu Nov-04-10 07:45 AM by demodonkey

Our former Secretary of State (now a vendor for an Internet Voting company) started this, citing a pending lawsuit. So from our officials right now we have a total State of Denial here in PA.

It is a national disgrace that 25% of our electorate is still being forced to throw their votes down these paperless contraptions. And it is not realistic to expect states and counties to correct this on their own. Most are so cash-strapped they can't cover basic expenses these days, let alone find money to replace equipment that some of them were misled to believe would be good for decades.

The bottom line is that Rush Holt's Voter Confidence & Increased Accessibility Act would have ended all this. DREs would be gone by now in states with no paper, and on their way out everywhere else. We'd have a basic audit of federal elections. And internet voting would be off the table too. Plus, the bill specifically provided for individual states to do more, all the way up to hand-counting every paper ballot if that is what a state desired.

THIS BILL SHOULD HAVE BEEN PASSED, AND PASSED LONG AGO. Windows and doors were open in the 111th Congress that may not be open again for a long time, if ever.

I am sick and tired of the unrealistic, self-serving, self-aggrandizing whackadoos who continue to insist that any bill must be perfect (in their eyes) or no federal reform of paperless voting systems will be supported at all.

As FBN points out, until we get the basic protection of a paper ballot for every vote, the 25% of us who still have to use paperless DREs can never truly know who won our elections.

And at least in part, we have the 'perfect-or-nothing' people to thank.

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  -Look what just happened to Tennessee's legislature (and why we'll never know why) Fly by night  Nov-03-10 05:35 PM   #0 
  - I hope to see the day when every one of those machines is landfill.  aquart   Nov-03-10 05:40 PM   #1 
  - I think MN. had "voting machine and worker" issues.  glinda   Nov-03-10 05:59 PM   #2 
  - K&R n/t  RainDog   Nov-03-10 06:16 PM   #3 
  - On another related thread, someone posted this analysis:  Fly by night   Nov-03-10 06:29 PM   #4 
  - Biased media sets everyone up for expected outcome.  Yellow Horse   Nov-04-10 08:11 AM   #9 
  - K&R  EFerrari   Nov-03-10 07:15 PM   #5 
  - K&R  Canuckistanian   Nov-03-10 10:27 PM   #6 
  - PA's in the same boat, and the new wrinkle here now is no one will even talk about voting machines.  demodonkey   Nov-04-10 07:18 AM   #7 
  - Damn straight, DemoD! Sorry for your continued lack of demonstrable democracy too.  Fly by night   Nov-04-10 07:30 AM   #8 
     - Can you say more about the fellowships?  Bill Bored   Nov-07-10 05:59 PM   #26 
        - Surely.  Fly by night   Nov-08-10 04:44 AM   #27 
           - Thanks Fly. Well unfortunately, some Dems in Congress were the REAL Holt-bill assassins.  Bill Bored   Nov-08-10 02:16 PM   #28 
              - Passing Holt (any version) would not have been easy, given the entrenched farces of evil ...  Fly by night   Nov-09-10 06:16 AM   #29 
  - K&R. (nt)  Kurovski   Nov-04-10 01:26 PM   #10 
  - An honest question for you?  Atlatl   Nov-04-10 05:11 PM   #11 
  - Ever heard of HAVA?  BeFree   Nov-04-10 07:10 PM   #12 
  - Welcome to DU. Here's my answer.  Fly by night   Nov-05-10 05:33 AM   #13 
  - a few points...  Atlatl   Nov-05-10 07:05 PM   #20 
     - And a few responses (while still waiting for your answer to the question I posed below)  Fly by night   Nov-06-10 06:06 AM   #23 
  - One last point, "spear-chucker".  Fly by night   Nov-05-10 05:52 AM   #14 
     - I don't think they used atlatls at the Battle of Athens (TN), but ...  Fly by night   Nov-05-10 06:23 AM   #15 
     - In response to my question, I hear .... crickets.  Fly by night   Nov-05-10 08:57 AM   #16 
        - .....and hoot owls  Fly by night   Nov-05-10 01:43 PM   #17 
        - ..... and tree frogs  Fly by night   Nov-05-10 05:36 PM   #18 
        - Day job...  Atlatl   Nov-05-10 07:08 PM   #21 
           - And you still haven't answered my question.  Fly by night   Nov-06-10 04:16 AM   #22 
  - This sounds terrible Fly By Night...  althecat   Nov-05-10 06:39 PM   #19 
  - It is. Do y'all need a typist (or a dual-degreed janitor) down under?  Fly by night   Nov-07-10 04:56 AM   #24 
  - This one reminds me a bit of what they tried to do to Harry Reid:  Bill Bored   Nov-07-10 05:54 PM   #25 

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