Bill Bored
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Fri Aug-06-10 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #6 |
| 13. No, I don't. Some states definitely include them. NY, NC, maybe others. nt |
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Edited on Fri Aug-06-10 12:54 PM by Bill Bored
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| -Audits in Primary Elections? |
garybeck |
Aug-05-10 07:27 PM |
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How many states have mandatory audits? And what are they? 1%? |
Stevepol |
Aug-05-10 08:19 PM |
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that doesn't answer my question but... |
garybeck |
Aug-05-10 08:43 PM |
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Caveat Emptor |
Wilms |
Aug-05-10 10:25 PM |
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I agree with what you're saying but that doesn't answer my question |
garybeck |
Aug-06-10 12:25 AM |
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I don't think that's "PERIOD" at all |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-06-10 07:57 AM |
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You say 1% is huge in CA, without suggesting a reported margin. |
Wilms |
Aug-06-10 11:08 AM |
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jeepers |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-06-10 11:41 AM |
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Lots of problems with audits though. (And I don't get paid to deal with them either!) |
Bill Bored |
Aug-06-10 12:51 PM |
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yeah, county-by-county escalation makes little sense |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-07-10 10:02 AM |
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*cough* |
Wilms |
Aug-07-10 10:38 AM |
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Don't take it personnel. |
Wilms |
Aug-06-10 01:05 PM |
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hang on, which state? |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-06-10 08:38 PM |
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What do we call medical treatments with low probability of helping? |
Wilms |
Aug-06-10 09:22 PM |
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hmmmm |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-07-10 08:12 AM |
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Seems like you're overemphasizing that an audit with low confidence could still reveal a problem. |
Wilms |
Aug-07-10 10:37 AM |
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I'm hardly making that point at all |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-07-10 07:40 PM |
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OK, then. Can you name any races with a 2% margin where an audit achieved >90% confidence? |
Wilms |
Aug-07-10 07:53 PM |
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How 'bout a 2% margin in a US House, State Senate or State House (or Assembly) race? |
Bill Bored |
Aug-07-10 11:24 PM |
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Yep. If guess if we exclude President, US Senate, and Governor, it's really game over. n/t |
Wilms |
Aug-08-10 02:01 AM |
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Well there is the argument that if errors happened on EVERY machine, ANY audit would find some. |
Bill Bored |
Aug-08-10 03:06 AM |
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NY's audit has already been gutted. The SBOE's version was dumb but the election law's is dumber! |
Bill Bored |
Aug-07-10 01:37 PM |
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as long as we're waxing metaphorical |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-07-10 07:42 PM |
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Being a bit harsh? |
Wilms |
Aug-08-10 02:24 AM |
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Well if that's the best you can come up with... |
Bill Bored |
Aug-08-10 03:00 AM |
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AFAIK the best resource for this kind of question |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-06-10 07:32 AM |
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NY does. That's close enough to VT. nt |
Bill Bored |
Aug-06-10 01:17 AM |
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But do you know, generally, if primaries are included, or not? n/t |
Wilms |
Aug-06-10 02:51 AM |
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No, I don't. Some states definitely include them. NY, NC, maybe others. nt |
Bill Bored |
Aug-06-10 12:38 PM |
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do you know if they audit their primary elections? n/t |
garybeck |
Aug-06-10 10:27 AM |
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YES, as I said, NY audits primary elections. I'm not sure what the other states do. nt |
Bill Bored |
Aug-06-10 12:35 PM |
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Here's the NY audit law: |
Bill Bored |
Aug-06-10 01:01 PM |
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thanks very much!!!! n/t |
garybeck |
Aug-06-10 01:42 PM |
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You're welcome. You might also look at what CT does. |
Bill Bored |
Aug-06-10 01:53 PM |
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Thank Bill. |
Wilms |
Aug-06-10 02:25 PM |
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Kicking for audits with high confidence levels. Anyone got one? n/t |
Wilms |
Aug-14-10 02:05 PM |
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I've seen some where they audited up to about 75% of the vote to get to about 75% "confidence." |
Bill Bored |
Aug-15-10 12:53 AM |
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Well, I kind of figured that was the case, and the reason OTOH didn't respond. |
Wilms |
Aug-15-10 01:18 AM |
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you were? |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-15-10 01:59 PM |
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You're having a real tough time with this. Aren't you? |
Wilms |
Aug-15-10 02:47 PM |
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there go the goalposts again |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-16-10 11:03 AM |
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How about running the same numbers for VT since that's what this thread was supposed to be about? nt |
Bill Bored |
Aug-16-10 08:13 PM |
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Don't waste his time unless it's a real audit in VT. |
Wilms |
Aug-17-10 12:02 AM |
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not even |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-17-10 08:31 AM |
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Inconvenient truths prevent a direct reply? |
Wilms |
Aug-17-10 10:10 AM |
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yadda yadda yadda |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-17-10 06:21 PM |
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You didn't answer a single question. Pathetic. |
Wilms |
Aug-17-10 06:47 PM |
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Wanting to know the confidence level of various elections isn't moving the "goal post". |
Wilms |
Aug-16-10 11:59 PM |
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I think your actual posts have been sloppy |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-17-10 08:59 AM |
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In other words, none of these audits provide high confidence levels. Correct? |
Wilms |
Aug-17-10 10:07 AM |
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Ohio didn't provide for a proper escalation procedure, so it's no exception. nt |
Bill Bored |
Aug-17-10 10:43 PM |
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Does NJ's audit law provide for escalation? |
Wilms |
Aug-20-10 04:33 AM |
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By law, NJ's audit must meet certain requirements that would require escalation: |
Bill Bored |
Aug-20-10 12:04 PM |
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OK. That's how it looked to me. |
Wilms |
Aug-23-10 02:03 AM |
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NJ's audit is the only one with a large chance of finding and correcting serious miscounts in all |
Bill Bored |
Aug-23-10 07:10 PM |
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Thanks Bill. |
Wilms |
Aug-31-10 11:08 PM |
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So how 'bout Vermont then, since it's garybeck's thread? |
Bill Bored |
Aug-17-10 10:18 PM |
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Of course Florida does not "pick a contest and audit it statewide." nt |
Bill Bored |
Aug-17-10 10:48 PM |
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OK. Jersey (and did someone say NC?) have statistical audits. |
Wilms |
Nov-01-10 09:12 AM |
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New Mexico. But don't count Jersey because they don't have paper ballots. nt |
Bill Bored |
Nov-01-10 07:25 PM |
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