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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 09:51 AM
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18. I've been thinking for a while that election officials are normally...
crooks or idiots. One or the other is a job requirement in most states.

I spent a few years working with computerized cash registers and accounting systems, occasionally doing some programming. Counting things is one of the simplest things for a computer to do and is infinitely more accurate then hand counting. Scanning is also effectively error free. Errors that show up are usually human-- like the store not entering new prices in the register software.

Do you really want your bank to go back to handwritten ledgers? Throw away all the ATMs? Or is it just voting that should stay prehistoric?

I'm gobsmacked that a company like Diebold, with its ATM business, seems to have completely forgotten about the concept of audit trails when designing a vote counter. When proposing electronic registers for franchised stores and restaurants we had to follow corporate guidelines maybe 15 pages long. Everything revolved around audit trails and redundancy to eliminate fraud and error.

So, the problem isn't electronic voting machines, it's letting them be designed by bureaucrats and software engineers instead of accountants.

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  -New Yorkers Cast Votes on Levers that Were Miscounted on Computers (TIA) tiptoe  Jul-15-10 12:30 PM   #0 
  - I'm not all that fond of the levers here in NY, but this overstates...  TreasonousBastard   Jul-15-10 12:51 PM   #1 
  - How do you know the bugs have been worked out and that the scanners haven't been hacked?  Bill Bored   Jul-15-10 01:53 PM   #2 
     - I don't-- I said they SEEM to be worked out. As far as hacking goes...  TreasonousBastard   Jul-16-10 07:32 AM   #7 
        - The whole state would NOT have to be in on it to rig an election.  Bill Bored   Jul-16-10 04:03 PM   #8 
           - Bullshit. ANY system can be played but all this hyperventilating over...  TreasonousBastard   Jul-16-10 04:27 PM   #9 
              - You comparing voting systems to sytems used for transactions and inventories is alarming.  Wilms   Jul-16-10 08:46 PM   #12 
              - No matter. You guys will never accept any electronic vote counting.  TreasonousBastard   Jul-16-10 09:10 PM   #14 
                 - Agreed. I don't want hackable computers telling me who won. n/t  Wilms   Jul-16-10 10:23 PM   #16 
              - I'm suggesting incompetence that leaves the door open for malfeasance.  Bill Bored   Jul-17-10 12:03 AM   #17 
                 - I've been thinking for a while that election officials are normally...  TreasonousBastard   Jul-17-10 09:51 AM   #18 
                    - How embarrassing. Right down to the 'ol "my ATM gives me a receipt".  Wilms   Jul-17-10 10:26 AM   #19 
                       - Will any one of you kindly explain the significant difference between...  TreasonousBastard   Jul-17-10 10:32 AM   #20 
                          - since you ask...  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-17-10 01:15 PM   #21 
                             - Thanks for capping that gusher.  Wilms   Jul-17-10 03:19 PM   #22 
                             - I don't see where that has any bearing at all. Accounting ties transactions...  TreasonousBastard   Jul-17-10 05:13 PM   #23 
                                - shrug  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-17-10 05:45 PM   #24 
                                   - It's all the issues you've cited today...and a few more.  Wilms   Jul-17-10 06:07 PM   #25 
                                      - I think NY's ballot scanners should be used for their intended purpose:  Bill Bored   Jul-18-10 12:46 AM   #26 
  - This seems like the most fraud-prone voting system imaginable (except for Internet Voting)!  Bill Bored   Jul-15-10 01:56 PM   #3 
  - Just to clarify, I'm talking about 100% mail-in paper ballot voting. nt  Bill Bored   Jul-16-10 12:44 AM   #5 
  - TIA promotes the use of computerized election.  Wilms   Jul-15-10 11:47 PM   #4 
  - TIA makes the erroneous assumption that central tabulation errors will be corrected by hand counts.  Bill Bored   Jul-16-10 12:50 AM   #6 
  - Proudly Un-Recommended "voter fraud"???? red herring/straw man  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-16-10 07:55 PM   #10 
  - Oh I'm too late to unrecommend this thing. Well consider this my unvote  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-16-10 07:56 PM   #11 
     - TIA's tipping the scale at 2 recommends. About average for his sludge. n/t  Wilms   Jul-16-10 08:47 PM   #13 
        - LOL  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-16-10 09:17 PM   #15 

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