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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 04:03 PM
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8. The whole state would NOT have to be in on it to rig an election.
Each county's EMS programs every scanner in the county. That's like one PC!

The 3% audit in the election law sucks. It's not likely to find miscounted votes, even if the outcomes of many elections are wrong.

And what's the chain of custody of the voted paper ballots? If they are left unattended at any time, they can be manipulated. How do we know they are authentic once they leave the poll site?

We can't trust the first counts from the computers on election night the way we can lever counts, yet the system is still designed as if we can.

Hand counting is a pipe dream in NY. Regulations that would have required a lot more of it have been gutted.

As a local poll worker, and I appreciate you're serving as one, you don't seem to be familiar with what's going on in Albany with the State Board of Elections and the county commissioners throughout the state.

The bottom is they plan to rely on these computers and their software certification process to determine the outcomes of elections. This is exactly what computer scientists and others say should not be done.

The fact that paper ballots may be "available" is of little consolation. What matters is how they will be counted.
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  -New Yorkers Cast Votes on Levers that Were Miscounted on Computers (TIA) tiptoe  Jul-15-10 12:30 PM   #0 
  - I'm not all that fond of the levers here in NY, but this overstates...  TreasonousBastard   Jul-15-10 12:51 PM   #1 
  - How do you know the bugs have been worked out and that the scanners haven't been hacked?  Bill Bored   Jul-15-10 01:53 PM   #2 
     - I don't-- I said they SEEM to be worked out. As far as hacking goes...  TreasonousBastard   Jul-16-10 07:32 AM   #7 
        - The whole state would NOT have to be in on it to rig an election.  Bill Bored   Jul-16-10 04:03 PM   #8 
           - Bullshit. ANY system can be played but all this hyperventilating over...  TreasonousBastard   Jul-16-10 04:27 PM   #9 
              - You comparing voting systems to sytems used for transactions and inventories is alarming.  Wilms   Jul-16-10 08:46 PM   #12 
              - No matter. You guys will never accept any electronic vote counting.  TreasonousBastard   Jul-16-10 09:10 PM   #14 
                 - Agreed. I don't want hackable computers telling me who won. n/t  Wilms   Jul-16-10 10:23 PM   #16 
              - I'm suggesting incompetence that leaves the door open for malfeasance.  Bill Bored   Jul-17-10 12:03 AM   #17 
                 - I've been thinking for a while that election officials are normally...  TreasonousBastard   Jul-17-10 09:51 AM   #18 
                    - How embarrassing. Right down to the 'ol "my ATM gives me a receipt".  Wilms   Jul-17-10 10:26 AM   #19 
                       - Will any one of you kindly explain the significant difference between...  TreasonousBastard   Jul-17-10 10:32 AM   #20 
                          - since you ask...  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-17-10 01:15 PM   #21 
                             - Thanks for capping that gusher.  Wilms   Jul-17-10 03:19 PM   #22 
                             - I don't see where that has any bearing at all. Accounting ties transactions...  TreasonousBastard   Jul-17-10 05:13 PM   #23 
                                - shrug  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-17-10 05:45 PM   #24 
                                   - It's all the issues you've cited today...and a few more.  Wilms   Jul-17-10 06:07 PM   #25 
                                      - I think NY's ballot scanners should be used for their intended purpose:  Bill Bored   Jul-18-10 12:46 AM   #26 
  - This seems like the most fraud-prone voting system imaginable (except for Internet Voting)!  Bill Bored   Jul-15-10 01:56 PM   #3 
  - Just to clarify, I'm talking about 100% mail-in paper ballot voting. nt  Bill Bored   Jul-16-10 12:44 AM   #5 
  - TIA promotes the use of computerized election.  Wilms   Jul-15-10 11:47 PM   #4 
  - TIA makes the erroneous assumption that central tabulation errors will be corrected by hand counts.  Bill Bored   Jul-16-10 12:50 AM   #6 
  - Proudly Un-Recommended "voter fraud"???? red herring/straw man  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-16-10 07:55 PM   #10 
  - Oh I'm too late to unrecommend this thing. Well consider this my unvote  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-16-10 07:56 PM   #11 
     - TIA's tipping the scale at 2 recommends. About average for his sludge. n/t  Wilms   Jul-16-10 08:47 PM   #13 
        - LOL  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-16-10 09:17 PM   #15 

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