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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 08:44 PM
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20. Yes, everyone looked it over, and they were warned after the problem was found in FL in 2008.
Edited on Mon Jul-19-10 09:13 PM by Bill Bored
So my point is that the certification process sucks and the voting system sucks because it allows boards of elections to set it up in a way that will disenfranchise voters.

Those who still think it's a better system than the lever voting system have not considered the ramifications of this.

A board of elections, or other insiders, could not possibly setup a lever voting system to behave in a way that would disenfranchise so many voters.

The certification process for a lever voting system would not have missed an error as obvious as allowing unintentional overvotes, which levers have been specifically designed NOT to allow for over 100 years.

This is just one example of what can go wrong. And look how the SBOE is trying to save face by not admitting they screwed up, using voter education instead of following the NY election law, saying they precleared the system with the DoJ even though the system does not operate as the SBOE claimed, etc.

This is what happens when you replace a system that's relatively free of such risks with one that's replete with them. Even honest election officials may feel compelled to deceive the public and the authorities.

Why should any of our tax dollars go to support such a system?
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  -Brennan Center Drops The Ball On WNYC Radio As Host Suggests Keeping Levers Would Prevent Overvoting Bill Bored  Jul-15-10 01:14 AM   #0 
  - As much as they got right I cringed at their seeming unfamiliarity with the technology.  Wilms   Jul-15-10 01:39 AM   #1 
  - The configuration change would not take long.  Bill Bored   Jul-15-10 01:48 AM   #2 
     - How long to recert? n/t  Wilms   Jul-15-10 02:26 AM   #3 
        - Long time. But that's only if we assume compliance with the election law.  Bill Bored   Jul-15-10 12:45 PM   #5 
           - plus $ to recertify. about $100K for small fixes, $1 M for whole system change  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-15-10 08:30 PM   #8 
           - MONEY IS NO OBJECT when it comes to replacing lever machines! nt  Bill Bored   Jul-17-10 12:55 AM   #12 
           - yeah, it's a Voting Rights Act lawsuit  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-16-10 07:23 AM   #10 
              - The VRA applies to Kings, New York and Bronx counties in NY.  Bill Bored   Jul-16-10 04:26 PM   #11 
                 - the VRA applies to the entire country, but not viz preclearance  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-17-10 08:01 AM   #13 
                    - The Brennan Center brought up "preclearence" in their complaint to the DOJ.  Bill Bored   Jul-18-10 12:39 AM   #14 
                       - the _memo_ to the DoJ isn't relevant  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-18-10 09:20 AM   #15 
                          - No law or regulation says overvoted ballots should be retained.  Bill Bored   Jul-18-10 05:41 PM   #16 
                             - seems like a non sequitur to me  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-18-10 07:35 PM   #17 
                                - In case you haven't noticed, we've been bombarded with all kinds of (false) assurances...  Bill Bored   Jul-18-10 08:07 PM   #18 
                                   - That's a bit more clear than your previous post.  Wilms   Jul-19-10 04:11 AM   #19 
                                      - Yes, everyone looked it over, and they were warned after the problem was found in FL in 2008.  Bill Bored   Jul-19-10 08:44 PM   #20 
  - WTF is the Brennan Center and who elected them?  aquart   Jul-15-10 04:25 AM   #4 
     - Excellent question! Here are some answers:  Bill Bored   Jul-15-10 01:06 PM   #6 
        - Thank you. They and I seem to have irreconciliable differences.  aquart   Jul-15-10 02:34 PM   #7 
           - On the other hand, they sued to improve the undervote rate on NYC levers a few years ago and...  Bill Bored   Jul-16-10 12:36 AM   #9 

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