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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 12:26 PM
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16. But those who hate levers offer no viable alternative; they just hate levers.
Edited on Mon Apr-19-10 12:36 PM by Bill Bored
They will be happy when they have paper ballots, counted by computers, with no effective method by law or regulation to verify their election results.

They will stick their heads in the sand and get back to their lives, confident in the fact that they've marked their paper ballots, and will leave the vote-counting up to someone else.

That's irresponsible, and maybe just plain stupid.

Perhaps they think some solution will magically emerge, but history has shown that there is a distaste on the part of most election officials for both hand counts and second-guessing their machinery, on which they've spent millions of our taxpayer dollars.

Trusting machinery may be appropriate when it's simple and observable, but now the machinery is complex and opaque and no one seems to have noticed the change -- least of all the lever-haters. With all we know about computer crime, they still insist that levers are just mechanical DREs. :wtf:
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  -How many years of service are expected from OpScanners, BMDs, and DREs? Wilms  Apr-18-10 10:41 AM   #0 
  - I was once told by an elections official that the machines were only supposed to last 3 to 5 years  diva77   Apr-18-10 02:44 PM   #1 
  - Hmmm. I wonder how many jurisdiction might opt for HCPB come replacement time.  Wilms   Apr-18-10 03:14 PM   #2 
  - None. Absolutely zero.  Yellow Horse   Apr-18-10 06:50 PM   #3 
     - Then let's see an affadavit from one of them claiming that.  Wilms   Apr-18-10 07:09 PM   #4 
     - I'm not selling anything. You are.  Yellow Horse   Apr-18-10 09:52 PM   #5 
        - Oh my. More misleading posting.  Wilms   Apr-18-10 10:46 PM   #8 
           - Don't blame me; you hijacked your own thread by bringing up HCPB. It started out as a question...  Yellow Horse   Apr-19-10 12:41 AM   #9 
              - If I followed what happened:  Wilms   Apr-19-10 03:43 AM   #10 
              - And then I suggested H.R. 2894 the Holt Bill as a better option for replacing worn out machines....  Yellow Horse   Apr-19-10 07:54 AM   #13 
              - smile  OnTheOtherHand   Apr-19-10 07:06 AM   #12 
                 - In fact, there are a number of people who ARE out to replace levers with computers.  Wilms   Apr-19-10 10:50 AM   #14 
                    - yes, many people think so  OnTheOtherHand   Apr-19-10 11:41 AM   #15 
                       - But those who hate levers offer no viable alternative; they just hate levers.  Bill Bored   Apr-19-10 12:26 PM   #16 
                          - ah, the world according to Bill  OnTheOtherHand   Apr-19-10 01:49 PM   #17 
                             - If you mean I can't think of a good argument to have mostly unaudited computers running elections...  Bill Bored   Apr-19-10 05:22 PM   #18 
                             - shrug  OnTheOtherHand   Apr-19-10 07:58 PM   #19 
                                - It's not a lack of understanding at all. A lot of people in NY just don't agree with Bo Lipari. nt  Bill Bored   Apr-19-10 11:15 PM   #21 
                             - Why is it a cheap shot? Because it's so obvious?  Wilms   Apr-19-10 09:13 PM   #20 
                                - you may need to review the thread  OnTheOtherHand   Apr-20-10 06:00 AM   #22 
                                   - I admit I don't follow.  Wilms   Apr-20-10 09:50 AM   #23 
     - It's the replacement of lever machines with computers that let the camel's nose under the tent.  Bill Bored   Apr-18-10 10:21 PM   #7 
  - I wonder which machines those were  OnTheOtherHand   Apr-19-10 06:24 AM   #11 
  - Op scanners: 1000 Years! DREs: 163 Hours. BMDs: Who knows?  Bill Bored   Apr-18-10 10:10 PM   #6 

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