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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 10:46 PM
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8. Oh my. More misleading posting.
Edited on Sun Apr-18-10 10:54 PM by Wilms
First, while I can appreciate your desire to mislead people about what I advocate, those who post or lurk know where I stand. So don't pester me with questions best asked another.

Besides, I believe that there was a little new-fangled computer trouble leading to some ol' time hand-counting on a-kind-of-an emergency basis during that ill-designed 2009 pilot in NY that made even Bo Lipari blush (a little).

More misleading from you: "And the fact that if anyone posts anything other than lever machines or HCPB they get blasted." No one gets blasted advocating OpScans over DREs. But many lament the replacement of levers or HCPB with the money-sucking inadequately-audited computerized vote counting (sic) you advocate. It's really that simple.

And try to not hijack the thread even more by bringing up Holt. How many iterations of his bill before he figured out internet connection of EMS's was a bad idea? Nah. The only reason you're hot on Holt is the lever ban.

But in fact I have a reasoned concern about hcpb potential for fraud. But it's not the hand-count that worries me as much as the paper ballot itself. And THAT's exactly why it was, like you wrote, "gotten rid of in most areas over 100 years ago" and replaced with lever voting machines.

Now you come along and want to bring back paper ballots en-masse AND count them with computers? A double whammy. ANY question about ballot security forces reliance on computer counts. Very bad.

Boss Tweed would envy it.

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  -How many years of service are expected from OpScanners, BMDs, and DREs? Wilms  Apr-18-10 10:41 AM   #0 
  - I was once told by an elections official that the machines were only supposed to last 3 to 5 years  diva77   Apr-18-10 02:44 PM   #1 
  - Hmmm. I wonder how many jurisdiction might opt for HCPB come replacement time.  Wilms   Apr-18-10 03:14 PM   #2 
  - None. Absolutely zero.  Yellow Horse   Apr-18-10 06:50 PM   #3 
     - Then let's see an affadavit from one of them claiming that.  Wilms   Apr-18-10 07:09 PM   #4 
     - I'm not selling anything. You are.  Yellow Horse   Apr-18-10 09:52 PM   #5 
        - Oh my. More misleading posting.  Wilms   Apr-18-10 10:46 PM   #8 
           - Don't blame me; you hijacked your own thread by bringing up HCPB. It started out as a question...  Yellow Horse   Apr-19-10 12:41 AM   #9 
              - If I followed what happened:  Wilms   Apr-19-10 03:43 AM   #10 
              - And then I suggested H.R. 2894 the Holt Bill as a better option for replacing worn out machines....  Yellow Horse   Apr-19-10 07:54 AM   #13 
              - smile  OnTheOtherHand   Apr-19-10 07:06 AM   #12 
                 - In fact, there are a number of people who ARE out to replace levers with computers.  Wilms   Apr-19-10 10:50 AM   #14 
                    - yes, many people think so  OnTheOtherHand   Apr-19-10 11:41 AM   #15 
                       - But those who hate levers offer no viable alternative; they just hate levers.  Bill Bored   Apr-19-10 12:26 PM   #16 
                          - ah, the world according to Bill  OnTheOtherHand   Apr-19-10 01:49 PM   #17 
                             - If you mean I can't think of a good argument to have mostly unaudited computers running elections...  Bill Bored   Apr-19-10 05:22 PM   #18 
                             - shrug  OnTheOtherHand   Apr-19-10 07:58 PM   #19 
                                - It's not a lack of understanding at all. A lot of people in NY just don't agree with Bo Lipari. nt  Bill Bored   Apr-19-10 11:15 PM   #21 
                             - Why is it a cheap shot? Because it's so obvious?  Wilms   Apr-19-10 09:13 PM   #20 
                                - you may need to review the thread  OnTheOtherHand   Apr-20-10 06:00 AM   #22 
                                   - I admit I don't follow.  Wilms   Apr-20-10 09:50 AM   #23 
     - It's the replacement of lever machines with computers that let the camel's nose under the tent.  Bill Bored   Apr-18-10 10:21 PM   #7 
  - I wonder which machines those were  OnTheOtherHand   Apr-19-10 06:24 AM   #11 
  - Op scanners: 1000 Years! DREs: 163 Hours. BMDs: Who knows?  Bill Bored   Apr-18-10 10:10 PM   #6 

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