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Yellow Horse Donating Member (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 09:52 PM
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5. I'm not selling anything. You are.
You are selling a method of casting and counting votes that is so fraud-prone it was gotten rid of in most areas over 100 years ago.

No I am absolutely not going to go and bother any election directors to sign an affidavit that they don't want to go back to hand-counted paper ballots. They (and I) have better things to do with our time than feed your ego.

If you really want the truth, go ask election directors yourself if they want hand-counted paper ballots. In fact, if you are such a great election reform activist you should have been doing that long ago. So how many election directors have you asked? How many said yes, they want to go to hand-counted paper?? How many jurisdictions have you gotten to actually switch to HCPB??? Bring us an affidavit that even ONE election director happily wants hand counted paper ballots. Please. Just one.

In the meantime, you can call my opinion histrionics or crocodile tears or even uncalled-for or whatever. But as I said before, I still contend that what is uncalled for is the posts that continually turn this once-productive forum into an echo chamber for crap. And the fact that if anyone posts anything other than lever machines or HCPB they get blasted. As I said the other day, no wonder so many productive people have left or if they check this board at all they just lurk.

I'm getting tired of the denial of service on this board. So I will say it -- I am supporting the one sane bill that will replace all those DRES that are getting worn out, will get us voter-marked paper ballots into every precinct in this country, and will stop Internet voting in its tracks. Yes, the Voter Confidence and Increased Accessibility Act, AKA the Holt bill (although Congressman Holt has proposed many decent election bills in addition to that one.) Current bill number H.R. 2894.

Oh, and BTW, H.R. 2894 actually ALLOWS for 100% hand-counting of the paper ballots with an approved audit plan. So if it passes you can still work for the hand-counted paper YOU are selling, and if you are lucky (and a good salesman) maybe you will get it. But I'd bet my life it won't be anywhere I know of.

Good Luck. (You'll need it.)
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  -How many years of service are expected from OpScanners, BMDs, and DREs? Wilms  Apr-18-10 10:41 AM   #0 
  - I was once told by an elections official that the machines were only supposed to last 3 to 5 years  diva77   Apr-18-10 02:44 PM   #1 
  - Hmmm. I wonder how many jurisdiction might opt for HCPB come replacement time.  Wilms   Apr-18-10 03:14 PM   #2 
  - None. Absolutely zero.  Yellow Horse   Apr-18-10 06:50 PM   #3 
     - Then let's see an affadavit from one of them claiming that.  Wilms   Apr-18-10 07:09 PM   #4 
     - I'm not selling anything. You are.  Yellow Horse   Apr-18-10 09:52 PM   #5 
        - Oh my. More misleading posting.  Wilms   Apr-18-10 10:46 PM   #8 
           - Don't blame me; you hijacked your own thread by bringing up HCPB. It started out as a question...  Yellow Horse   Apr-19-10 12:41 AM   #9 
              - If I followed what happened:  Wilms   Apr-19-10 03:43 AM   #10 
              - And then I suggested H.R. 2894 the Holt Bill as a better option for replacing worn out machines....  Yellow Horse   Apr-19-10 07:54 AM   #13 
              - smile  OnTheOtherHand   Apr-19-10 07:06 AM   #12 
                 - In fact, there are a number of people who ARE out to replace levers with computers.  Wilms   Apr-19-10 10:50 AM   #14 
                    - yes, many people think so  OnTheOtherHand   Apr-19-10 11:41 AM   #15 
                       - But those who hate levers offer no viable alternative; they just hate levers.  Bill Bored   Apr-19-10 12:26 PM   #16 
                          - ah, the world according to Bill  OnTheOtherHand   Apr-19-10 01:49 PM   #17 
                             - If you mean I can't think of a good argument to have mostly unaudited computers running elections...  Bill Bored   Apr-19-10 05:22 PM   #18 
                             - shrug  OnTheOtherHand   Apr-19-10 07:58 PM   #19 
                                - It's not a lack of understanding at all. A lot of people in NY just don't agree with Bo Lipari. nt  Bill Bored   Apr-19-10 11:15 PM   #21 
                             - Why is it a cheap shot? Because it's so obvious?  Wilms   Apr-19-10 09:13 PM   #20 
                                - you may need to review the thread  OnTheOtherHand   Apr-20-10 06:00 AM   #22 
                                   - I admit I don't follow.  Wilms   Apr-20-10 09:50 AM   #23 
     - It's the replacement of lever machines with computers that let the camel's nose under the tent.  Bill Bored   Apr-18-10 10:21 PM   #7 
  - I wonder which machines those were  OnTheOtherHand   Apr-19-10 06:24 AM   #11 
  - Op scanners: 1000 Years! DREs: 163 Hours. BMDs: Who knows?  Bill Bored   Apr-18-10 10:10 PM   #6 

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