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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 10:18 PM
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7. StevePol is talking, mostly, about manual auditing. NY has an inadequate one planned.

Not sure where you got the idea that HCPB "the worst way (sic - I'm figuring you meant, best) known to introduce error". Any link for that?

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  -Old voting machines to be replaced by electronic devices in Nassau County Wilms  Feb-27-10 05:23 PM   #0 
  - I've been voting on opti-scan machines like this for 20 years  frazzled   Feb-27-10 05:33 PM   #1 
  - Wow. You have all the erroneous talking points down pat.  Wilms   Feb-27-10 05:50 PM   #2 
  - You're probably just not old enough to remember rigged elections in the pre-electronic era  frazzled   Feb-28-10 12:01 AM   #12 
     - I just wondered if perhaps you had documentation of rigged lever machines. That's all. n/t  Wilms   Feb-28-10 12:42 AM   #14 
     - Oh, there's a POLITICAL MACHINE too? Inagine that!  Bill Bored   Feb-28-10 01:30 AM   #17 
  - All depends on the audits.  Stevepol   Feb-27-10 06:15 PM   #3 
     - Did you read the OP where there was talk of hand-counting...  TreasonousBastard   Feb-27-10 09:53 PM   #4 
        - StevePol is talking, mostly, about manual auditing. NY has an inadequate one planned.  Wilms   Feb-27-10 10:18 PM   #7 
        - No links, just a fair amount of experience with...  TreasonousBastard   Feb-27-10 11:48 PM   #10 
           - It was your comments about the potential for error with HCPB I'm asking about.  Wilms   Feb-27-10 11:58 PM   #11 
              - Yeah, that's why we stopped doing it years ago...  TreasonousBastard   Feb-28-10 12:12 AM   #13 
                 - Again. Not fraud. Or "pain". But error.  Wilms   Feb-28-10 12:46 AM   #15 
                    - No. I'm not. Don't have time, don't care, and don't even know you...  TreasonousBastard   Feb-28-10 08:48 AM   #19 
                       - You cared enough to post a half dozen replies, make a bunch of claims...  Wilms   Feb-28-10 11:12 AM   #23 
                          - That I care about, because you guys are putting out a lot of bullshit, and...  TreasonousBastard   Feb-28-10 10:18 PM   #30 
                             - Can you point out where us "guys are putting out a lot of bullshit"?  Wilms   Feb-28-10 11:21 PM   #41 
        - Hand counting at the precinct level on election night....  Bill Bored   Feb-28-10 01:42 AM   #18 
           - The lever machines have several thousand small parts with no...  TreasonousBastard   Feb-28-10 09:04 AM   #20 
              - Care to back up the stuck on 99 story apart from the tired and unsupported Jones reference?  Wilms   Feb-28-10 11:13 AM   #24 
              - Nope. I've seen it, and I've seen the number wheels stuck...  TreasonousBastard   Feb-28-10 10:35 PM   #33 
                 - Can you point to the specific election.  Wilms   Feb-28-10 11:08 PM   #38 
                 - I stand corrected.  Wilms   Mar-01-10 01:54 AM   #42 
              - I forgot to let you know about the fact that parts ARE available.  Wilms   Feb-28-10 03:30 PM   #28 
              - Of course there are machines out there to be cannibalized...  TreasonousBastard   Feb-28-10 10:16 PM   #29 
                 - From the response I guess you didn't read the links I provided you.  Wilms   Feb-28-10 11:06 PM   #37 
              - Not "hatred" of computer counting. The problem is lack of transparency.  Bill Bored   Feb-28-10 10:54 PM   #34 
              - The software has millions of lines of code. Have you seen any of them? nt  Bill Bored   Feb-28-10 10:59 PM   #35 
  - Aw geez,  Libertas1776   Feb-27-10 09:59 PM   #5 
  - Might have been where they got the idea.  Wilms   Feb-27-10 10:12 PM   #6 
  - I haven't seen any electronic devices used.  Libertas1776   Feb-27-10 10:23 PM   #8 
     - That's because they weren't yet certified, and you didn't vote where the pilot program was conducted  Wilms   Feb-27-10 10:31 PM   #9 
        - Well, fuck me  Libertas1776   Feb-28-10 01:03 AM   #16 
        - Ummmm... they've been certified for quite a while and every ED...  TreasonousBastard   Feb-28-10 09:16 AM   #22 
           - Keep showing your unfamiliarity with the...ummmm... subject.  Wilms   Feb-28-10 11:24 AM   #25 
           - And from a news story you know more than about the machine than...  TreasonousBastard   Feb-28-10 10:31 PM   #31 
              - You were the one posting incorrect info about voting system deployment.  Wilms   Feb-28-10 11:11 PM   #39 
           - No scanners were certified in NY prior Dec. 15, 2009.  Bill Bored   Feb-28-10 11:02 PM   #36 
  - Suffolk's been using them for a couple of years, but...  TreasonousBastard   Feb-28-10 09:08 AM   #21 
     - You're getting warmer.  Wilms   Feb-28-10 11:26 AM   #26 
        - Where all the experts are. I'm impressed.  TreasonousBastard   Feb-28-10 10:31 PM   #32 
           - You should be impressed. n/t  Wilms   Feb-28-10 11:12 PM   #40 
  - Electronics are vastly easier to rig on a large-scale basis.  snot   Feb-28-10 03:19 PM   #27 
 

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