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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:53 PM
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4. Did you read the OP where there was talk of hand-counting...
260,000 ballots for a recount?

Hand counting at the precinct level would mean they would all have to be counted election night.

A typical election district in my county, and much of New York, has 1,000 voters-- considering 60% is a high turnout, six to eight people accurately counting 600 ballots, or more, after an 20 hour day is a lot to ask, and is not only more open to fraud, but the worst way known to introduce error. For elections with a high number of absentee ballots, the county knows this and keeps them at the BOE offices for later counting.

Various mechanical and electronic means of counting were introduced simply BECAUSE of the fraud and error rates in hand countng.

(I always wonder how many hand count advocates have ever worked a poll. Or a cash register, for that matter, or an accounting program-- should we eliminate Quickbooks because a handwritten ledger is more secure?)

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  -Old voting machines to be replaced by electronic devices in Nassau County Wilms  Feb-27-10 05:23 PM   #0 
  - I've been voting on opti-scan machines like this for 20 years  frazzled   Feb-27-10 05:33 PM   #1 
  - Wow. You have all the erroneous talking points down pat.  Wilms   Feb-27-10 05:50 PM   #2 
  - You're probably just not old enough to remember rigged elections in the pre-electronic era  frazzled   Feb-28-10 12:01 AM   #12 
     - I just wondered if perhaps you had documentation of rigged lever machines. That's all. n/t  Wilms   Feb-28-10 12:42 AM   #14 
     - Oh, there's a POLITICAL MACHINE too? Inagine that!  Bill Bored   Feb-28-10 01:30 AM   #17 
  - All depends on the audits.  Stevepol   Feb-27-10 06:15 PM   #3 
     - Did you read the OP where there was talk of hand-counting...  TreasonousBastard   Feb-27-10 09:53 PM   #4 
        - StevePol is talking, mostly, about manual auditing. NY has an inadequate one planned.  Wilms   Feb-27-10 10:18 PM   #7 
        - No links, just a fair amount of experience with...  TreasonousBastard   Feb-27-10 11:48 PM   #10 
           - It was your comments about the potential for error with HCPB I'm asking about.  Wilms   Feb-27-10 11:58 PM   #11 
              - Yeah, that's why we stopped doing it years ago...  TreasonousBastard   Feb-28-10 12:12 AM   #13 
                 - Again. Not fraud. Or "pain". But error.  Wilms   Feb-28-10 12:46 AM   #15 
                    - No. I'm not. Don't have time, don't care, and don't even know you...  TreasonousBastard   Feb-28-10 08:48 AM   #19 
                       - You cared enough to post a half dozen replies, make a bunch of claims...  Wilms   Feb-28-10 11:12 AM   #23 
                          - That I care about, because you guys are putting out a lot of bullshit, and...  TreasonousBastard   Feb-28-10 10:18 PM   #30 
                             - Can you point out where us "guys are putting out a lot of bullshit"?  Wilms   Feb-28-10 11:21 PM   #41 
        - Hand counting at the precinct level on election night....  Bill Bored   Feb-28-10 01:42 AM   #18 
           - The lever machines have several thousand small parts with no...  TreasonousBastard   Feb-28-10 09:04 AM   #20 
              - Care to back up the stuck on 99 story apart from the tired and unsupported Jones reference?  Wilms   Feb-28-10 11:13 AM   #24 
              - Nope. I've seen it, and I've seen the number wheels stuck...  TreasonousBastard   Feb-28-10 10:35 PM   #33 
                 - Can you point to the specific election.  Wilms   Feb-28-10 11:08 PM   #38 
                 - I stand corrected.  Wilms   Mar-01-10 01:54 AM   #42 
              - I forgot to let you know about the fact that parts ARE available.  Wilms   Feb-28-10 03:30 PM   #28 
              - Of course there are machines out there to be cannibalized...  TreasonousBastard   Feb-28-10 10:16 PM   #29 
                 - From the response I guess you didn't read the links I provided you.  Wilms   Feb-28-10 11:06 PM   #37 
              - Not "hatred" of computer counting. The problem is lack of transparency.  Bill Bored   Feb-28-10 10:54 PM   #34 
              - The software has millions of lines of code. Have you seen any of them? nt  Bill Bored   Feb-28-10 10:59 PM   #35 
  - Aw geez,  Libertas1776   Feb-27-10 09:59 PM   #5 
  - Might have been where they got the idea.  Wilms   Feb-27-10 10:12 PM   #6 
  - I haven't seen any electronic devices used.  Libertas1776   Feb-27-10 10:23 PM   #8 
     - That's because they weren't yet certified, and you didn't vote where the pilot program was conducted  Wilms   Feb-27-10 10:31 PM   #9 
        - Well, fuck me  Libertas1776   Feb-28-10 01:03 AM   #16 
        - Ummmm... they've been certified for quite a while and every ED...  TreasonousBastard   Feb-28-10 09:16 AM   #22 
           - Keep showing your unfamiliarity with the...ummmm... subject.  Wilms   Feb-28-10 11:24 AM   #25 
           - And from a news story you know more than about the machine than...  TreasonousBastard   Feb-28-10 10:31 PM   #31 
              - You were the one posting incorrect info about voting system deployment.  Wilms   Feb-28-10 11:11 PM   #39 
           - No scanners were certified in NY prior Dec. 15, 2009.  Bill Bored   Feb-28-10 11:02 PM   #36 
  - Suffolk's been using them for a couple of years, but...  TreasonousBastard   Feb-28-10 09:08 AM   #21 
     - You're getting warmer.  Wilms   Feb-28-10 11:26 AM   #26 
        - Where all the experts are. I'm impressed.  TreasonousBastard   Feb-28-10 10:31 PM   #32 
           - You should be impressed. n/t  Wilms   Feb-28-10 11:12 PM   #40 
  - Electronics are vastly easier to rig on a large-scale basis.  snot   Feb-28-10 03:19 PM   #27 

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