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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 02:01 PM
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79. ooh, I almost missed your edit
Yeah, I've had to learn to use sentence fragments for dramatic effect. :)

Yes, real hand audits would be an excellent start -- although the aftermath of the 2008 NH primary (with the partial recount) shows that there is always some scenario of ballot subversion that can't be ruled out to everyone's satisfaction. But a well-run audit, with good ballot security, would help.

I hope that no one has been secretly hand-counting ballots -- that's the last thing we need! Shades of Cuyahoga County. The truth is that as far as I can tell, there is nothing very suspicious about the Massachusetts results, so I doubt that the insiders would feel a great need to "sneak a peek." But you raise a question about access to cast ballots in MA that I haven't yet found an answer to. I think I'll have to (sigh) pick up the phone.

By the way, when I say that there's nothing very suspicious about the results, I don't mean that it isn't surprising that Coakley lost, although that's true; I mean that I don't see big outliers that cry out "machine error," nor a great contrast between the hand count and scanner results around the state. That doesn't prove that the results are accurate, of course.
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  -How the Republican's stole the Mass senate seat Faun Otter  Feb-03-10 04:59 PM   #0 
  - Bookmarking for later review.  BrklynLiberal   Feb-03-10 05:04 PM   #1 
  - has this information been passed on to william galvan?  Beer Snob-50   Feb-03-10 05:05 PM   #2 
  - If you have time I would change your subject line which reads tame to  peacetalksforall   Feb-03-10 05:09 PM   #3 
  - No wonder Brown wants to be sworn and seated asap....n/t  monmouth   Feb-03-10 05:10 PM   #4 
  - I find this extremely interesting  Blue Owl   Feb-03-10 05:13 PM   #5 
  - Why don't the dems address the electronic voting issue now that they are in power? -nt  CrispyQ   Feb-03-10 05:13 PM   #6 
  - Because they are in power. nt  Bill Bored   Feb-04-10 05:54 PM   #83 
     - Do you have a link to support that claiM?  Wilms   Feb-04-10 09:08 PM   #86 
  - "Unrecs"??? Why?  alstephenson   Feb-03-10 05:14 PM   #7 
  - And yet another "unrec"...  alstephenson   Feb-03-10 05:16 PM   #8 
  - obviously, some have a vested interest  Blue Owl   Feb-03-10 05:18 PM   #10 
  - IBTOTOH. n/t  Ellipsis   Feb-03-10 05:18 PM   #9 
  - gee, thanks  OnTheOtherHand   Feb-03-10 06:40 PM   #29 
     - *grin*  Ellipsis   Feb-04-10 09:42 AM   #76 
        - ooh, I almost missed your edit  OnTheOtherHand   Feb-04-10 02:01 PM   #79 
  - I'm beginning to think a Democratic loss can never be accepted as legitimate.  elocs   Feb-03-10 05:25 PM   #11 
  - The figures are there  Faun Otter   Feb-03-10 05:38 PM   #13 
     - As Twain said, "there are lies, damn lie, and statistics.  elocs   Feb-03-10 05:40 PM   #14 
        - Explain the figures  Faun Otter   Feb-03-10 05:45 PM   #19 
           - Who's we?  smoogatz   Feb-03-10 05:55 PM   #24 
              - We  Faun Otter   Feb-03-10 09:57 PM   #38 
  - Where did you get this information? As far as I'm concerned  virgogal   Feb-03-10 05:37 PM   #12 
  - Sources  Faun Otter   Feb-03-10 05:42 PM   #16 
     - Thank you so much. eom  virgogal   Feb-03-10 06:19 PM   #28 
     - so, you allege that the Coakley and Brown figures literally were swapped?  OnTheOtherHand   Feb-03-10 06:42 PM   #31 
        - Registrations age  Faun Otter   Feb-03-10 10:33 PM   #43 
           - what makes you think I haven't?  OnTheOtherHand   Feb-04-10 04:55 AM   #55 
              - Nope  Faun Otter   Feb-04-10 08:25 AM   #60 
                 - sorry, I don't understand this response  OnTheOtherHand   Feb-04-10 09:03 AM   #71 
  - and all conspiracy theories aside maybe we just had a weak ass candidate.  YOY   Feb-03-10 05:40 PM   #15 
  - This isn't a theory  Faun Otter   Feb-03-10 05:43 PM   #17 
     - Get some links for your facts.  YOY   Feb-03-10 05:45 PM   #18 
        - Sure  Faun Otter   Feb-03-10 05:48 PM   #21 
           - what's your source of info on equipment?  OnTheOtherHand   Feb-03-10 06:53 PM   #34 
              - Levers  Faun Otter   Feb-03-10 10:01 PM   #39 
                 - you think that supports your inference?  OnTheOtherHand   Feb-04-10 05:22 AM   #56 
                 - Poll books  Faun Otter   Feb-04-10 08:34 AM   #61 
                    - Please provide details and links regarding  Wilms   Feb-04-10 08:53 AM   #66 
                    - The history is here  Faun Otter   Feb-04-10 09:13 AM   #73 
                       - Is that the ONLY source.  Wilms   Feb-04-10 09:50 AM   #77 
                    - hmm  OnTheOtherHand   Feb-04-10 08:55 AM   #67 
                 - after further review...  OnTheOtherHand   Feb-04-10 02:31 PM   #80 
                    - BBV  Faun Otter   Feb-04-10 05:04 PM   #81 
                    - OTOH, the explanation is simple:  Bill Bored   Feb-04-10 06:40 PM   #85 
                       - And they did all that without a small plane crash?  Wilms   Feb-04-10 09:11 PM   #87 
                          - Thankfully. nt  Bill Bored   Feb-04-10 11:29 PM   #89 
  - Sources please.  smoogatz   Feb-03-10 05:46 PM   #20 
  - See above  Faun Otter   Feb-03-10 05:49 PM   #22 
  - i think it's obvious what happened:  smoogatz   Feb-03-10 05:54 PM   #23 
     - But that would be too simple, wouldn't it? We need a deep, dark conspiracy to explain things.  elocs   Feb-03-10 06:04 PM   #26 
     - Accuracy is what matters  Faun Otter   Feb-03-10 10:30 PM   #42 
     - Exact locations of source material  Faun Otter   Feb-03-10 10:22 PM   #40 
  - HE MADE THEM UP  OregonBi   Feb-04-10 02:14 AM   #50 
     - c'mon, Faun already linked to the numbers  OnTheOtherHand   Feb-04-10 05:28 AM   #57 
        - Thanks OTOH  Faun Otter   Feb-04-10 08:37 AM   #62 
  - Meh.  yowzayowzayowza   Feb-03-10 06:02 PM   #25 
  - the premise is faulty  OnTheOtherHand   Feb-03-10 06:47 PM   #33 
     - Yes or no, I think!  Faun Otter   Feb-03-10 10:27 PM   #41 
        - you're moving the goalposts, actually  OnTheOtherHand   Feb-04-10 05:43 AM   #58 
           - Well said.  smoogatz   Feb-04-10 08:03 AM   #59 
              - Turnout is a misnomer  Faun Otter   Feb-04-10 08:41 AM   #63 
              - defection affects the ratio(s), too  OnTheOtherHand   Feb-04-10 08:44 AM   #64 
              - Thanks  Faun Otter   Feb-04-10 08:58 AM   #70 
              - This analysis is chasing the statistical shadow of the ghost ...  yowzayowzayowza   Feb-04-10 08:49 AM   #65 
  - the democratic party INC does not give a damn about vote integrity or it would be doing something  msongs   Feb-03-10 06:05 PM   #27 
  - A theory  Faun Otter   Feb-03-10 10:37 PM   #44 
     - It's not about the "counting machine companies." Most of the state outsources their programming!  Bill Bored   Feb-04-10 11:24 PM   #88 
  - Please don't let all the comments about it ALL being Coakley's fault deter you.  peacetalksforall   Feb-03-10 06:40 PM   #30 
  - Contacts  Faun Otter   Feb-03-10 10:40 PM   #45 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-03-10 06:45 PM   #32 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-03-10 08:51 PM   #35 
  - Easly stolen? How? By Who?  OregonBi   Feb-04-10 02:09 AM   #49 
     - Strat here  Faun Otter   Feb-04-10 08:57 AM   #68 
  - Do you have a link for the DU thread claiming ""aliens abducted me and probed my butt""?  Wilms   Feb-03-10 09:47 PM   #37 
  - sure!  OregonBi   Feb-04-10 02:17 AM   #51 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-04-10 08:58 AM   #69 
  - Funny  Faun Otter   Feb-03-10 10:47 PM   #46 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-04-10 02:25 AM   #52 
        - You asked  Faun Otter   Feb-04-10 09:21 AM   #74 
  - Analyses like this are all good and useful, but the main point  Stevepol   Feb-03-10 09:24 PM   #36 
  - Absolutely true  Faun Otter   Feb-03-10 10:56 PM   #47 
  - Well said. If the onus were on the SOS and voting machine companies to  diva77   Feb-04-10 12:15 AM   #48 
  - here is where I wish we could recommend comments  WillYourVoteBCounted   Feb-04-10 09:11 AM   #72 
  - Bookmarked for later.  Betty Karlson   Feb-04-10 03:14 AM   #53 
  - The elections are controlled by private vendors, ES&S primarily.  Stevepol   Feb-04-10 04:02 AM   #54 
  - The lack of audits  Faun Otter   Feb-04-10 09:25 AM   #75 
     - Those audits are usually inadequate. n/t  Wilms   Feb-04-10 09:51 AM   #78 
  - There are no lever machines in Mass. Where did you find them? nt  Bill Bored   Feb-04-10 05:51 PM   #82 
     - there's one at the Norman Rockwell Museum!  OnTheOtherHand   Feb-04-10 06:09 PM   #84 

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