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diva77 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 05:24 PM
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23. I wouldn't be so sure about that, having met and observed vendors myself.
Edited on Sat Jan-23-10 05:25 PM by diva77
They're the ones with all the access on election night. Yep, the Diebold man gets to go in and "check on the central tabulator" at election HQ; and they get access year round to elections officials and equipment. They get as much face time as they want. Citizens get their 3 min. at a Board of Supervisors meeting and have to wait around all day for their time slot. And when their time slot is announced it's random chance whether or not any of the Board will be seated and giving their full attention to what is being said. :mad:

Remember this from 2003?

Diebold Employed At Least Five Convicted Felons In Management Positions
from the um...-background-checks,-anyone? dept

This is sounding more and more like a bad movie. In fact, if someone wrote this script, I'd bet it would get rejected as being way too implausible. Not only has Diebold been shown to have incredibly insecure technology on their electronic voting machines (universal password: 1111), had their (very partisan) CEO say that he was going to help his party win the election, been trying to sue every whistle-blower who calls them on this, admitted that they're going to try to jack up prices for anyone who tries to force them to add a paper trail and been caught using uncertified software in a recent election (breathe...), now it also turns out that they've employed at least five convicted felons in management roles at their voting machine subsidiary, according to Bev Harris, who has been leading the charge against Diebold. In fact, a senior VP of the group, who was responsible for writing and maintaining the code used in their voting systems, served time in prison for "stealing money and tampering with computer files". Diebold says that the guy left at the time they acquired his company to become their e-voting subsidiary, but they're still using this guy's code.
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  - Bingo!  ClayZ   Jan-22-10 05:18 PM   #13 
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  - nope, not one bit  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-22-10 07:47 PM   #15 
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        - And vulnerabilities open to exploitation BY anyone...not just the manufacturers.  Wilms   Jan-23-10 02:59 PM   #20 
           - yep, exactly  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-23-10 03:28 PM   #21 
           - Source code this, and source code that.  Wilms   Jan-23-10 03:59 PM   #22 
           - What, you don't do Windows? :) nt  Bill Bored   Jan-27-10 11:25 PM   #30 
           - I wouldn't be so sure about that, having met and observed vendors myself.  diva77   Jan-23-10 05:24 PM   #23 
              - I excluded no one.  Wilms   Jan-23-10 08:29 PM   #24 
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  - Well  BeFree   Jan-25-10 12:35 PM   #27 
  - If only  BeFree   Jan-25-10 09:41 PM   #28 
  - Close call  n3ttik   Feb-03-10 06:37 PM   #32 

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