You are viewing an obsolete version of the DU website which is no longer supported by the Administrators. Visit The New DU.
Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Reply #5: "As all of America goes to a paper trail, paper ballots, and early voting...". [View All]

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Election Reform Donate to DU
Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 08:29 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. "As all of America goes to a paper trail, paper ballots, and early voting...".
Last I checked, half the states still use 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY vote counting code, owned and controlled by a handful of rightwing corporations, with NO audit/recount controls. Most of this half of the states have no paper ballot at all; others may have a paper ballot but do a ZERO audit. And the other half of the states also use 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY vote counting code, owned and controlled by a handful of rightwing corporations, with a meager 1% audit. Experts whom I respect say a 10% audit is the minimum needed to detect fraud.

An adequate audit is especially necessary in a 'TRADE SECRET' code system--in which the inner workings of the voting machines and the central tabulators are hidden from public view. A paper ballot is an improvement, certainly, but it is not a significant improvement unless it is accompanied by an adequate, automatic audit (and not just one triggered by a very close vote.) We didn't have anything close to an adequate audit anywhere, last time I looked at national voting system stats (about two years ago).

Has something changed?

If these conditions have not been significantly improved, then it is by no means likely that the Pukes will "become a real minority party" (reflecting their true support). In fact, the opposite could easily happen. They could "gain" seats in Congress and other offices, and overthrow Obama in 2012, and we would be helpless to prevent it.


Please correct me if my information about the US voting system is outdated.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
  -To Believe the NY 2004 recorded vote, you must also believe... WillE  Aug-31-09 12:38 PM   #0 
  - Zogby IS a lousy pollster.  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Aug-31-09 12:40 PM   #1 
  - No, he's not. nt  Captain Hilts   Sep-01-09 11:34 AM   #6 
     - He had a 5.4% error rate in 2008.  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Sep-01-09 12:02 PM   #7 
        - for Zogby Interactive polls, yes  OnTheOtherHand   Sep-01-09 12:40 PM   #9 
           - The OP is more or less positing that Zogby's beyond reproach.  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Sep-01-09 12:56 PM   #11 
              - I take your point, but actually, the OP is pretty selective  OnTheOtherHand   Sep-01-09 01:22 PM   #12 
                 - Zogby matched True vote in 2000; Rasmussen (GOP) was way off  WillE   Sep-01-09 07:38 PM   #16 
                    - LOL -- you and your "True Vote" n/t  OnTheOtherHand   Sep-01-09 08:12 PM   #18 
  - A 2004 NY True Vote Analysis  WillE   Aug-31-09 02:10 PM   #2 
  - well to buy Ohio 2004 you have believe that W won despite:  Botany   Aug-31-09 05:55 PM   #3 
  - Amen and Amen!  Stevepol   Aug-31-09 06:49 PM   #4 
  - "As all of America goes to a paper trail, paper ballots, and early voting...".  Peace Patriot   Aug-31-09 08:29 PM   #5 
  - Spot on. n/t  Wilms   Sep-01-09 08:54 PM   #19 
  - In 08 the pukes cheated and lost anyway  Cobalt-60   Sep-03-09 04:22 AM   #26 
  - Paper ballots. Hand counted, w/ plenty of observers, AT THE PRECINCT.  kath   Sep-01-09 12:13 PM   #8 
  - ruh roh: "uniform 7% increase in...late NY PAPER BALLOT vote share"?  OnTheOtherHand   Sep-01-09 12:47 PM   #10 
  - NY 2000-2008: Election Day Lever vs. Late paper ballot vs. Exit poll (update)  WillE   Sep-01-09 07:20 PM   #15 
     - are you withdrawing your argument, or not?  OnTheOtherHand   Sep-01-09 08:08 PM   #17 
        - True... but the NY exit polls AND late vote shares consistently favor the Dems  WillE   Sep-01-09 10:15 PM   #21 
           - that's no answer at all  OnTheOtherHand   Sep-02-09 05:16 AM   #22 
              - I know you are at your computer, monitoring ER.  WillE   Sep-02-09 01:05 PM   #23 
                 - are you joking?  OnTheOtherHand   Sep-02-09 04:39 PM   #24 
                    - Still no answer? This is not a joke. Just a simple question.  WillE   Sep-02-09 09:58 PM   #25 
                       - your attention seems to be wandering  OnTheOtherHand   Sep-03-09 06:10 AM   #27 
                          - You have still not answered the question. The 2006 exits ARE available.  WillE   Sep-03-09 09:44 AM   #28 
                             - your evasive maneuvers continue  OnTheOtherHand   Sep-03-09 11:26 AM   #29 
                                - Your lack of substantive response is a tell.  WillE   Sep-03-09 02:06 PM   #30 
                                   - MY lack of substantive response?  OnTheOtherHand   Sep-03-09 02:52 PM   #31 
                                      - You really have no shame, do you?  WillE   Sep-03-09 03:25 PM   #32 
                                         - you really have no response, do you?  OnTheOtherHand   Sep-03-09 03:51 PM   #33 
  - I believe your post has a lot of merit, but why are you bringing this up now?n/t  wisteria   Sep-01-09 01:55 PM   #13 
  - See this....  WillE   Sep-01-09 02:51 PM   #14 
  - Kicking it  Ellipsis   Sep-01-09 10:09 PM   #20 
 

Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Election Reform Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC