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WillE Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 04:08 PM
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41. So which is it? Slow-drifting fog? Mere forgetfulness? Retrospective bandwagon?
Edited on Tue Aug-04-09 04:19 PM by WillE

So which is it? Slow-drifting fog? Mere forgetfulness? Retrospective bandwagon? The answer is:


False Recall is based on the NES 600-sample retrospective vote survey. It was the final naysayer Hail Mary pass to explain the impossible 43/37 returning Bush/Gore voter split in the Final 2004 National Exit Poll. The claim was that the 600-700 polled produced a result that did not match the RECORDED vote share; the survey "overstated" support for the incumbent.

Here's why the naysayer interpretation of the survey was bogus. There was no false recall.

First, it was based on the recorded vote - not the True vote. There are millions of uncounted votes in any election. Any analysis which does not consider total votes CAST is invalid by definition. That is the fundamental FLAW in all of the naysayer "theories" used to denigrate UNADJUSTED exit polls.

Second, the individual survey MARGIN OF ERROR was 4%; the deviations can vary greatly from one election to the next. As in all statistical analysis, one needs to look at the average deviation to "smooth out" the variations. It's the Law of Large Numbers. A good example of LLN is that a baseball players batting average will fluctuate greatly early in the season but converge to his TRUE average at the end as his total at bats increase.

This analysis will show that the retrospective votes were well within the Recorded and True Vote margin of error. The respondents told the truth. That should end the discussion right there. By not considering TOTAL VOTES CAST, "false recall" is based on the FALSE PREMISE that the recorded vote is identical to the TRUE VOTE. In the 11 elections since 1968, the average Democratic True Vote share exceeded the recorded vote by 3.7%; the retrospective Democratic margin was higher than the recorded margin in every election.

In 8 of the 11 elections, the Democratic True Vote share fell within the NES margin of error.

The average NES winning margin was 11.4% (11.4% for the Democrats and 11.5% for the Republicans).
The average Democratic True Vote winning margin was 10.0%
The average Republican True Vote winning margin was 12.4%

NES vs. True Vote (1968-2008)
The average absolute discrepancy for the 11 elections was -0.40%.
The average Democratic absolute discrepancy was -0.70%.
The average Republican discrepancy was 0.46%.

NES vs. Recorded Vote (1968-2008)
The average absolute vote share discrepancy was -1.75%.
The average Democratic absolute discrepancy was -3.30%.
The average Republican discrepancy was -0.46%
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  -When will the MSM release the 2008 Exit Poll Report? (TIA) - x tiptoe  Jul-30-09 01:02 AM   #0 
  - "THOSE IN POWER" WILL NOT LET YOU SEE THE TRUTH  HowHasItComeToThis   Jul-30-09 01:15 AM   #1 
  - what evidence do you have in mind?  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-30-09 07:49 AM   #3 
  - Here is a link for the likely source of the statement  starroute   Jul-30-09 11:10 AM   #4 
     - Ok, there's a known problem with this line of analysis  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-30-09 11:39 AM   #5 
        - This refutes False Recall  WillE   Aug-04-09 02:43 PM   #39 
           - not so much, but thanks for the fresh fish bait, or whatever  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-04-09 03:07 PM   #40 
              - So which is it? Slow-drifting fog? Mere forgetfulness? Retrospective bandwagon?  WillE   Aug-04-09 04:08 PM   #41 
                 - which time did the NES respondents tell the truth?  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-04-09 04:13 PM   #42 
  - Yes,  Kurovski   Jul-30-09 03:21 PM   #6 
     - So what if it is? Or if it's just a hobby? Or an Army of posters using the same name?  Wilms   Jul-31-09 12:26 AM   #9 
     - Jesus saves,  Kurovski   Jul-31-09 07:09 PM   #10 
        - Then why do you fancy yourself a reformer and truth seeker?  Wilms   Jul-31-09 09:25 PM   #11 
           - God created the Heavens and the Earth.  Kurovski   Aug-01-09 06:02 PM   #12 
              - Ah. TIA created the Heavens and the Earth.  Wilms   Aug-01-09 06:35 PM   #13 
                 - With God all things are possible.  Kurovski   Aug-01-09 06:36 PM   #14 
                    - Exit poll true believers are his rath.  Wilms   Aug-01-09 06:54 PM   #15 
                       - Ramen. n/t  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-01-09 08:12 PM   #16 
                       - 'Tis the gift to be simpul,  Kurovski   Aug-02-09 12:53 PM   #17 
                       - thz olde ur ban mith?  Kurovski   Aug-02-09 01:16 PM   #18 
                          - conveniently debunked in that very thread  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-02-09 05:08 PM   #21 
                             - 42 posts out of the 262  Wilms   Aug-02-09 05:22 PM   #22 
                                - Clippity  Kurovski   Aug-03-09 05:40 PM   #24 
                                   - Clippity  Kurovski   Aug-03-09 05:40 PM   #25 
                                      - Clop  Kurovski   Aug-03-09 05:40 PM   #26 
                                         - Clippity  Kurovski   Aug-03-09 05:41 PM   #27 
                                            - Clippity  Kurovski   Aug-03-09 05:41 PM   #28 
                                               - Clop  Kurovski   Aug-03-09 05:41 PM   #29 
                                                  - Tic  Kurovski   Aug-03-09 05:42 PM   #30 
                                                  - Toc  Kurovski   Aug-03-09 05:42 PM   #31 
                                                  - Tic  Kurovski   Aug-03-09 05:42 PM   #32 
                                                  - Toc  Kurovski   Aug-03-09 05:42 PM   #33 
                                                  - Clippity  Kurovski   Aug-03-09 05:43 PM   #34 
                                                  - Clippity  Kurovski   Aug-03-09 05:43 PM   #35 
                                                  - Clop.  Kurovski   Aug-03-09 05:43 PM   #36 
     - I'm damn glad OnTheOtherHand contributes so much in that bit of time  WillYourVoteBCounted   Aug-02-09 01:32 PM   #19 
        - I don't  Kurovski   Aug-02-09 03:13 PM   #20 
           - Bless you  WillYourVoteBCounted   Aug-02-09 08:19 PM   #23 
              - & God Bless the Google.  Kurovski   Aug-03-09 05:45 PM   #37 
                 - The Church of Google?  WillYourVoteBCounted   Aug-03-09 09:13 PM   #38 
  - K & R  lib_wit_it   Jul-30-09 04:57 AM   #2 
  - K&R  Stevepol   Jul-30-09 05:18 PM   #7 
  - like Iran's election, without transparency  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-30-09 11:26 PM   #8 
  - When hell freezes over...  WillE   Sep-24-09 08:23 PM   #43 
     - What if you're mostly full of hot air and complicating election reform efforts?  Wilms   Sep-24-09 09:52 PM   #44 
        - You are looning by ignoring the elections of 2006 and 2008  WillE   Sep-24-09 10:35 PM   #45 
           - The MSM has been called out. Everyone here knows the voting system is a wreck.  Wilms   Sep-24-09 11:45 PM   #46 

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