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Sun Jul-26-09 10:17 PM
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| 1. Its not that an accurate reliable machine can't be built....it's just easier to hide the fraud by... |
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building complicated pieces of crap thereby generating a cover for the stolen election.
As I like to say its not a "Malfunction" its a "function".
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| -NY: Computer Tallies Can't be Trusted |
Wilms |
Jul-26-09 09:57 PM |
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Its not that an accurate reliable machine can't be built....it's just easier to hide the fraud by... |
yourout |
Jul-26-09 10:17 PM |
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the risk is more limited with Lever, whereas with computer |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Jul-26-09 11:28 PM |
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Important for NYers |
clear eye |
Jul-27-09 03:44 AM |
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New York Anomalies: 19 Levers stuck on Bush, none on Kerry (EIRS) |
WillE |
Aug-12-09 11:55 AM |
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So are you saying computer tallies CAN BE TRUSTED then? |
Bill Bored |
Aug-12-09 02:14 PM |
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Oh, and maybe you can explain how 19 broken machines out of 7,000 in NYC... |
Bill Bored |
Aug-12-09 02:46 PM |
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You have avoided the facts presented in the post and appear quite defensive. |
WillE |
Aug-13-09 12:22 PM |
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Damn right I'm defensive! Here's why: |
Bill Bored |
Aug-13-09 12:57 PM |
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Define Dem Share |
Bill Bored |
Aug-13-09 01:22 PM |
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Do you think that would be a lot of trouble and risk just to pad the popular vote? |
Wilms |
Aug-13-09 10:46 PM |
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580,000 NY late votes; analysis of incidents, county size, Urban Legend…and a response |
WillE |
Aug-14-09 11:57 AM |
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Everyone knows the problem, at issue is which is worse? |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Aug-14-09 01:36 PM |
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Sorry, but you DO have to explain HOW the machines could have miscounted so many votes. |
Bill Bored |
Aug-14-09 01:48 PM |
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Sorry to waste your time with facts |
WillE |
Aug-14-09 03:52 PM |
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Are you going to answer my question or not?: How many lever machines had to be hacked... |
Bill Bored |
Aug-14-09 04:23 PM |
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A response and some questions for you |
WillE |
Aug-14-09 03:26 PM |
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well, there you go: unsupported dogma |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-14-09 04:24 PM |
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These reports sound like a Primary with separate Dem and Repub machines. |
Bill Bored |
Aug-14-09 07:44 PM |
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Thanks for using the word "believe". That's honest. Belief, while limited, is all we have. |
Wilms |
Aug-14-09 11:30 PM |
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Your comments indicate some confusion and a touch of desperation |
WillE |
Aug-15-09 12:17 PM |
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Confusion? Projection? |
Wilms |
Aug-15-09 01:25 PM |
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The raw data show that Bush didn't do better compared to 2000 in the precincts with the largest WPE. |
Bill Bored |
Aug-15-09 01:54 PM |
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: Motive, Means, and Opportunity |
WillE |
Aug-17-09 01:52 PM |
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I guess I'll stick to one or two odd claims per post |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-17-09 03:38 PM |
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Oooooo! |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Aug-20-09 01:57 AM |
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the scary thing is, he still hasn't figured it out |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-20-09 05:31 AM |
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Who said levers were "fraud proof"? Other than you claiming someone did, that is? |
Wilms |
Aug-17-09 10:57 PM |
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The HNYVA of 1892 |
WillE |
Aug-18-09 12:01 PM |
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HCPB zombies don't seem to realize HCPB is not on the menu. |
Wilms |
Aug-18-09 10:27 PM |
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No paper trail? How about NO RECOUNTS? |
Bill Bored |
Aug-19-09 12:39 AM |
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Levers are the “gold standard” with an 11% WPE? |
WillE |
Aug-19-09 03:25 PM |
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WPE is no standard at all. |
Bill Bored |
Aug-20-09 11:27 PM |
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Too time-consuming to respond to all this but... |
Bill Bored |
Aug-19-09 12:10 AM |
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There can be no stuffing of votes? |
WillE |
Aug-19-09 02:52 PM |
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You think Open Source means Hand Counted or what? |
Bill Bored |
Aug-20-09 11:02 PM |
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: Let’s summarize an analysis of the facts. Warning: slow load. |
WillE |
Aug-21-09 03:28 PM |
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"slow load"?! (snark redacted) |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-21-09 07:37 PM |
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(crickets) n/t |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-23-09 03:51 PM |
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Finally, something about Voting Systems! |
Bill Bored |
Aug-21-09 10:35 PM |
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More red flags! Average NY WPE: Bush 8.0 (1988,1992,2004); Clinton 0.6 (1996, 2000) |
WillE |
Aug-23-09 10:38 AM |
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Bush was running for reelection in 1988? |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-23-09 12:03 PM |
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You need to take an algebra class |
WillE |
Aug-23-09 01:56 PM |
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oh, brother |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-23-09 03:46 PM |
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Name removed |
Aug-23-09 05:38 PM |
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O RLY? |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-23-09 06:02 PM |
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1 was wrong. You were right. I know Bush was VP. Address the wpe anomaly |
WillE |
Aug-23-09 07:59 PM |
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I take that back. Another look at the top 15 NY counties and the Urban Legend. |
WillE |
Aug-24-09 07:20 AM |
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"I was essentially correct in my prior analysis." You were? And TIA? |
Wilms |
Aug-24-09 09:09 AM |
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"Hell, let’s be honest: it’s impossible." |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-24-09 09:37 AM |
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There is much to refute here, but it's very easy to do. Just watch. |
WillE |
Aug-24-09 12:09 PM |
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it's boring to correct you over, and over, and over again |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-24-09 12:43 PM |
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That was a truly weak response - as expected |
WillE |
Aug-24-09 02:32 PM |
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"Kerry won ALL three exit polls"? |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-24-09 02:54 PM |
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Here's a NY 2004 True Vote Sensitivity Analysis. Did you ever do one? |
WillE |
Aug-24-09 04:17 PM |
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all this is facially silly |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-24-09 05:00 PM |
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What's incredulous is your faith-based jargon and avoidance of analytical thought. |
WillE |
Aug-24-09 05:31 PM |
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"Now I know how Galileo felt." |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-24-09 05:38 PM |
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If you used exit polls in your "analysis " it was to thrash them n/t |
WillE |
Aug-24-09 10:02 PM |
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spoken like, yes, a fundamentalist |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-25-09 07:59 AM |
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Better things to do? Yes! Tell us how many lever machines would have to be HACKED to account for... |
Bill Bored |
Aug-24-09 09:35 PM |
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See post #49 |
WillE |
Aug-24-09 09:59 PM |
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This is not about "trusting exit polls" . It's about considering ALL the evidence... |
WillE |
Aug-24-09 10:16 PM |
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How many machines was that again? nt |
Bill Bored |
Aug-24-09 11:21 PM |
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for your convenience... |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-25-09 10:12 AM |
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Thanks for bringing all this back in full view again |
WillE |
Aug-25-09 04:55 PM |
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"Do you have any proof that they weren't?" |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-25-09 06:02 PM |
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I accept your recession |
WillE |
Aug-25-09 08:26 PM |
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yeah, well |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-25-09 09:03 PM |
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No, I'm still here :) |
Febble |
Aug-26-09 05:30 PM |
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wanna play "Urban Legend"? |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-15-09 02:14 PM |
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This will not make your day. It will spoil it. |
WillE |
Aug-18-09 12:19 PM |
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you just aren't very good at analysis, apparently |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-18-09 01:51 PM |
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Your disinformation campaign rolls on |
WillE |
Aug-18-09 03:56 PM |
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sigh |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-18-09 04:54 PM |
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Mr. Other, you have been exposed |
WillE |
Aug-18-09 05:34 PM |
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uh, no |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-18-09 07:47 PM |
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(crickets) n/t |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-23-09 03:50 PM |
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CORRECTION TO LATE NY PAPER VOTES; EXIT POLL COMPARISONS |
WillE |
Sep-01-09 07:12 PM |
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4.5 years and you're still making "corrections". That's inspiring. n/t |
Wilms |
Sep-01-09 08:51 PM |
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You never have to correct a thing. Cuz you never do analysis. Very uninspiring. |
WillE |
Sep-01-09 10:24 PM |
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## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
DU GrovelBot |
Aug-18-09 05:34 PM |
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Well, we're gonna let an exit poll define your programming. OK, Grov? |
Wilms |
Aug-18-09 10:29 PM |
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The reality is we have had GOP election theft for decades . . . with complicity of corporate press . |
defendandprotect |
Aug-21-09 02:12 AM |
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Election Fraud is endemic. These TIA graphs debunk all the Disinfo. |
WillE |
Aug-27-09 12:17 PM |
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TIA FAQ: whined about, but never refuted |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-27-09 12:32 PM |
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You concede when all you can do you is cherry-pick |
WillE |
Aug-27-09 01:31 PM |
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I didn't cherrypick |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-27-09 02:15 PM |
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He refuted it in spades |
WillE |
Aug-27-09 01:43 PM |
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nope |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-27-09 02:30 PM |
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No point in trying to discuss? Of course, because you can't. |
WillE |
Aug-27-09 03:45 PM |
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what point have I not responded to? be specific |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-27-09 04:07 PM |
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Once again, you are hoisted on your own petard. |
WillE |
Aug-27-09 06:45 PM |
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trash talk aside, you're wrong again |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-27-09 09:04 PM |
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You conveniently ignore the analysis which refutes you |
WillE |
Aug-28-09 12:05 AM |
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And I thought electronic vote counting schema was a pretty iffy way to determine outcomes. |
Wilms |
Aug-28-09 12:33 AM |
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Distracted? Uh, this is a thread about why we should trust computers to count votes in NY, right? nt |
Bill Bored |
Aug-28-09 07:31 PM |
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you're simply misrepresenting the PA exit polls |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-28-09 06:10 AM |
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A FREE online book about Kerry's 2004 landslide |
WillE |
Aug-27-09 10:22 PM |
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TIA FAQ Response Summary Update - Includes 2008 reference |
WillE |
Aug-28-09 08:09 AM |
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my double dog dare stands n/t |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-28-09 09:26 AM |
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The analysis that you won't do proves you dead wrong once again. Your move... |
WillE |
Aug-29-09 09:19 AM |
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sorry, you're still pwned |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-29-09 10:11 AM |
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Your myths vs. the facts. Now show us your cherry-picked PA LV polls |
WillE |
Aug-29-09 11:33 AM |
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Hmmm. "true activists are winning" you say. |
Wilms |
Aug-29-09 11:55 AM |
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Show us your numbers and stop whining! |
WillE |
Aug-29-09 12:07 PM |
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I'm whinning. |
Wilms |
Aug-29-09 12:17 PM |
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Take your pick. Column A or Column B? Steak or Pork? |
WillE |
Aug-29-09 02:20 PM |
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Analysis is anything but black and white. |
Wilms |
Aug-29-09 02:31 PM |
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HS Litmis test?I have no problem with your having a problem... |
WillE |
Aug-29-09 03:04 PM |
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It's time for you to recognize some facts..... |
WillE |
Aug-30-09 01:44 AM |
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Gimme an example. |
Wilms |
Aug-30-09 02:07 AM |
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Strawman. You avoid my question and are putting words in my mouth. |
WillE |
Aug-30-09 02:19 AM |
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Don't be silly! Activism was a result of the radical Bush regime and FL 2000. |
Bill Bored |
Aug-30-09 03:25 AM |
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Activism was muted in 2001; it became widespread in Nov. 2004 |
WillE |
Aug-30-09 09:58 AM |
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Ah, but most Dems in Congress voted FOR HAVA! They considered themselves to be reformers! |
Bill Bored |
Aug-30-09 08:46 PM |
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You just don 't get it, do you? |
WillE |
Aug-30-09 09:41 PM |
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You're still not listening. And may well never. |
Wilms |
Aug-30-09 10:12 PM |
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You avoid the content of the post. |
WillE |
Aug-30-09 10:34 PM |
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Human Miscounts? |
Wilms |
Aug-31-09 01:00 AM |
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I don't CARE what the polls say. They are just polls -- not voting systems. |
Bill Bored |
Aug-30-09 10:17 PM |
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In fact, where are all the true-believers? |
Wilms |
Aug-30-09 10:28 PM |
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Now it is clear... |
WillE |
Aug-30-09 10:45 PM |
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I have no troops. |
Wilms |
Aug-31-09 01:03 AM |
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You really DO have blinders on. |
WillE |
Aug-30-09 10:42 PM |
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You wrote: "No one is contesting that the levers are accurate." Good! Then my work here is done. |
Bill Bored |
Aug-30-09 10:46 PM |
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No, your work has just started.. |
WillE |
Aug-30-09 11:11 PM |
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Didn't Bush run in 2000? |
yowzayowzayowza |
Aug-30-09 11:22 PM |
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Bush was NOT the incumbent in 2k. He was in '04. He had means, motive and opportunity. |
WillE |
Aug-30-09 11:35 PM |
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Welp, at least we agree that it is a ... |
yowzayowzayowza |
Aug-30-09 11:51 PM |
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but, WillE, |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-31-09 05:16 AM |
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You either don't read or you quickly forget: Motive. Means. Opportunity |
WillE |
Aug-31-09 06:53 AM |
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projection much? |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-31-09 07:36 AM |
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of course he can "have it both ways" -- think about it |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-31-09 05:06 AM |
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You want to talk about "blind faith"? OK. |
WillE |
Aug-31-09 07:29 AM |
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darling, you're in a panic |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-31-09 07:57 AM |
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Show us YOUR numbers. Here is the NY True Vote analysis you WON'T DARE do. |
WillE |
Aug-31-09 08:59 AM |
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as usual, you have no counter to ANY of my points |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-31-09 09:31 AM |
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You really *are* an optimist!!! n/t |
yowzayowzayowza |
Aug-30-09 11:20 PM |
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you didn't respond to any of my points |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-29-09 12:16 PM |
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As usual, you are a no show |
WillE |
Aug-29-09 02:53 PM |
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care to try again in English? |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-29-09 03:21 PM |
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Now about those LVs and Rvs- you have shown us NADA |
WillE |
Aug-29-09 03:54 PM |
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JIm Lampley on Bradblog in 2005 |
WillE |
Aug-29-09 04:40 PM |
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Must Listen! Jim Lampley of HBO on Bradblog in May 2005 |
WillE |
Aug-29-09 06:05 PM |
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I recall that interview. Was very happy to hear it. |
Wilms |
Aug-29-09 06:48 PM |
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here's an interesting part |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-31-09 05:19 AM |
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no, you haven't |
OnTheOtherHand |
Aug-29-09 04:56 PM |
#112 |
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