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UnitedVoters Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 08:49 AM
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15. IMHO the pros FAR outweigh the cons -- the Holt bill is great.
Edited on Tue Jul-21-09 08:59 AM by UnitedVoters
For your information, Ellen Theisen is not promoting the VotePad and further she has no
vested interest in the Holt bill.

I said that as the inventor of VotePad she "perhaps" she has a vested interest in seeing the Holt bill fail, and I stand by that. She may not be actively promoting her invention right now but she may, repeat MAY, have an interest in a patent or other intelliectual property rights that would make the failure of the Holt bill to her advantage. The fact that she already has marketed for-profit a product that would be harmed by the bill automatically raises red flags when she opposes the legislation.

I would rather not see the vendors get a dime more.

Whether the Holt bill passes or not, the vendors going to get plenty of future cash as the DREs purchased in 2006 start aging and needing repairs or replacement with the next generation of paperless DRE crap and/or internet voting crap that will most assuredly be agressively marketed if this bill fails.

Voting vendors are turning optical scanners into a combo DRE/optical scanner machine.

That is false. The "DRE" portion of the new combo systems is a ballot marker that is needed to help the disabled vote privately and independently, which is the right thing to provide. The disabled have as much right to a private and independent vote as you or I do, and when they vote it should be possible for them to have a paper backup of their vote just as any other voter does.

States like mine, NC - have the early version of Automark that cannot be adapted so that the paper ballot does not have to be handled. NC would have to replace Automarks in all counties, and we might also have to replace all existing optical scan machines. We have specific requirements for voting vendors in our states that would likely lead to all new voting machines when we just purchased them in 2006.

By 2014 your state will have to start replacing a lot if not all of its 2006 stuff anyway. Automarks and scanners don't last forever. Eight years is a long time for electronic gear.

So my state may have something to lose - and voting vendors much to gain, if the Holt bill passes.

Your state will lose, as we all will, when we get another selected president like GW Bush in another election like FL 2000 or OH 2004 with perhaps no paper to recount in the problem area next time. As I said, the vendors are going to make money no matter what, perhaps even MORE if Holt bill does not pass.

So before you attack people for not supporting the bill, listen to their reasons.

If what I posted was an "attack" against someone then your post and Wilms' was equally an attack against me and I would thank you not to do so.
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  -Your feelings or comments on the Holt Bill WillYourVoteBCounted  Jul-18-09 03:21 PM   #0 
  - Holt Bill?  FLAprogressive   Jul-18-09 03:28 PM   #1 
  - Holt is supporter of electronic and privatization, generally, so always an imperfect champion.  MarjorieG   Jul-18-09 03:29 PM   #2 
  - wasnt there an amendment added to allow levers?  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-18-09 08:43 PM   #5 
     - I think we're still trying. When Ellen Theisen, Teresa Hommel and Debra Bowen, etc, met a convention  MarjorieG   Jul-19-09 01:01 AM   #6 
  - The bill is flawed - deeply - but some progress is required...  althecat   Jul-18-09 08:38 PM   #3 
  - clicked on your graphic for scoop  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-18-09 08:42 PM   #4 
  - Holt Bill is GREAT!!  Democracy Cop   Jul-19-09 07:35 PM   #7 
  - Join NYVV. Like you, they are promoting electronic vote counting. n/t  Wilms   Jul-19-09 08:47 PM   #8 
  - I am ambivalent about the Holt Bill, but feel that the levers should be allowed  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-19-09 09:19 PM   #9 
  - Agree: Holt Bill is GREAT.  UnitedVoters   Jul-20-09 08:08 PM   #10 
     - Whoa! ALLCAPS!  Wilms   Jul-20-09 09:31 PM   #11 
        - Yes indeed. HOLT BILL IS GREAT.  UnitedVoters   Jul-20-09 10:39 PM   #12 
           - "this silly non-issue"  Wilms   Jul-20-09 10:58 PM   #13 
           - There ARE pros and cons  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-21-09 12:56 AM   #14 
              - IMHO the pros FAR outweigh the cons -- the Holt bill is great.  UnitedVoters   Jul-21-09 08:49 AM   #15 
                 - I'm sure you mean well, but the "perhaps" is  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-21-09 11:54 AM   #16 
                 - My use of the word "perhaps" is absolutely correct because I don't actually know for sure....  UnitedVoters   Jul-21-09 06:06 PM   #18 
                    - nope, sorry  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-22-09 07:55 AM   #22 
                    - So if I don't swallow everything a former for-profit vendor says its ad hominem? Sorry NOPE to you.  UnitedVoters   Jul-23-09 10:50 AM   #23 
                       - welcome to DU "United Voters" and please do tell us more...  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-23-09 11:26 AM   #24 
                       - and "UnitedVoters", please tell about your activism  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-23-09 11:27 AM   #25 
                       - it's pretty simple, actually  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-24-09 07:26 AM   #28 
                    - applying YOUR logic directly to YOUR intent PERHAPS  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-23-09 11:34 AM   #26 
                 - the new ES&S DS 200 IS a combo DRE and optical scanner  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-21-09 11:57 AM   #17 
                    - HR2894 will force it to be used as a non-tabulating ballot marker only...  UnitedVoters   Jul-21-09 06:09 PM   #19 
                       - See this post.  Wilms   Jul-21-09 10:11 PM   #21 
  - It won't pass this session. nt  Bill Bored   Jul-21-09 08:21 PM   #20 
  - For the record, I am ambivalent  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-23-09 07:47 PM   #27 

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