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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 09:31 PM
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11. Whoa! ALLCAPS!
It sure is "GREAT" for single-issue advocates bent on paper ballots counted by computers, rarely audited in a statistically significant manner, and quite possibly NOT available for a recount despite the rhetoric stating otherwise.

Speaking of wise, we have Ellen Theisen and the late John Gideon explaining why they don't support this "great" bill.


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VotersUnite! commends the Congressman for the many improvements included in this years version, and we supported it in its initial form. However, during the finalization process, a provision was added that has caused us to withdraw our support.

The bill would require a non-tabulating ballot-marking device (BMD) in each polling place that allows the voter to privately and independently verify and cast the permanent paper ballot without requiring the voter to manually handle the paper ballot. (Section 102.)

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The ramifications of this added accessibility requirement are significant for every jurisdiction in the country. Every jurisdiction would have to replace its accessible equipment by 2016 2014.

The only vendor that advertises a system with the autocast feature is ES&S, though the machine is not yet in use and has not yet been submitted to the EAC for certification. With a federal mandate for equipment currently developed by only one vendor, it is hard to predict how much the vendor will charge for the machine, the software, the support, and the licensing. The bill simply allocates such sums as may be necessary.

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http://www.votersunite.org/info/2009HoltBillTimeline.pd...


As you can see, there are the ALLCAPPERS, and then there are the analysts.

Take your pick.

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  -Your feelings or comments on the Holt Bill WillYourVoteBCounted  Jul-18-09 03:21 PM   #0 
  - Holt Bill?  FLAprogressive   Jul-18-09 03:28 PM   #1 
  - Holt is supporter of electronic and privatization, generally, so always an imperfect champion.  MarjorieG   Jul-18-09 03:29 PM   #2 
  - wasnt there an amendment added to allow levers?  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-18-09 08:43 PM   #5 
     - I think we're still trying. When Ellen Theisen, Teresa Hommel and Debra Bowen, etc, met a convention  MarjorieG   Jul-19-09 01:01 AM   #6 
  - The bill is flawed - deeply - but some progress is required...  althecat   Jul-18-09 08:38 PM   #3 
  - clicked on your graphic for scoop  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-18-09 08:42 PM   #4 
  - Holt Bill is GREAT!!  Democracy Cop   Jul-19-09 07:35 PM   #7 
  - Join NYVV. Like you, they are promoting electronic vote counting. n/t  Wilms   Jul-19-09 08:47 PM   #8 
  - I am ambivalent about the Holt Bill, but feel that the levers should be allowed  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-19-09 09:19 PM   #9 
  - Agree: Holt Bill is GREAT.  UnitedVoters   Jul-20-09 08:08 PM   #10 
     - Whoa! ALLCAPS!  Wilms   Jul-20-09 09:31 PM   #11 
        - Yes indeed. HOLT BILL IS GREAT.  UnitedVoters   Jul-20-09 10:39 PM   #12 
           - "this silly non-issue"  Wilms   Jul-20-09 10:58 PM   #13 
           - There ARE pros and cons  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-21-09 12:56 AM   #14 
              - IMHO the pros FAR outweigh the cons -- the Holt bill is great.  UnitedVoters   Jul-21-09 08:49 AM   #15 
                 - I'm sure you mean well, but the "perhaps" is  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-21-09 11:54 AM   #16 
                 - My use of the word "perhaps" is absolutely correct because I don't actually know for sure....  UnitedVoters   Jul-21-09 06:06 PM   #18 
                    - nope, sorry  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-22-09 07:55 AM   #22 
                    - So if I don't swallow everything a former for-profit vendor says its ad hominem? Sorry NOPE to you.  UnitedVoters   Jul-23-09 10:50 AM   #23 
                       - welcome to DU "United Voters" and please do tell us more...  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-23-09 11:26 AM   #24 
                       - and "UnitedVoters", please tell about your activism  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-23-09 11:27 AM   #25 
                       - it's pretty simple, actually  OnTheOtherHand   Jul-24-09 07:26 AM   #28 
                    - applying YOUR logic directly to YOUR intent PERHAPS  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-23-09 11:34 AM   #26 
                 - the new ES&S DS 200 IS a combo DRE and optical scanner  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-21-09 11:57 AM   #17 
                    - HR2894 will force it to be used as a non-tabulating ballot marker only...  UnitedVoters   Jul-21-09 06:09 PM   #19 
                       - See this post.  Wilms   Jul-21-09 10:11 PM   #21 
  - It won't pass this session. nt  Bill Bored   Jul-21-09 08:21 PM   #20 
  - For the record, I am ambivalent  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-23-09 07:47 PM   #27 
 

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