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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 08:11 AM
Response to Reply #20
23. Holt initially was open to discussion
on the issue. Then Bev made an ass of herself, attacked other activists, and the doors in Washington closed.

Again, I speak from firsthand experience that Bev's name was poison amongst election officials and politicians. I, and other activists got more accomplished once folks realized we had no love for Bev and her wild accusations.

I hear LOTS of criticism of Holt, but see no organized or concerted effort by people who favor HCPB to actually make such a law in their own states/counties/cities. Nothing Holt is doing precludes TOUGHER standards at the local level, yet I don't see ANY HCPB advocates writing tougher bills and pushing them locally. Lots of sound and fury at DU and, but no actual laws, or even drafts of laws, and no effort at any local level I am aware of.

People can either whine or do something. In my state we did something. It isn't perfect but I have yet to see any HCPB advocate get a law in a single township, never mind an entire state.
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  -How The Election Integrity Story Broke Here On DU - An Interview With Althecat On Oped News althecat  Jul-11-09 03:24 AM   #0 
  - Dear ERD... please KnR The Cross Posted GD Thread Here  althecat   Jul-11-09 03:26 AM   #1 
  - Out of curiousity why would anyone in DU unrec this thread... its about DU?  althecat   Jul-11-09 07:57 PM   #2 
  - Du wrong place to promote Bev Harris on anniversary of Andy Stephenson's death  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-11-09 09:06 PM   #3 
     - deleted  althecat   Jul-11-09 10:07 PM   #4 
  - May have broke here, but also got buried here  kster   Jul-12-09 11:07 PM   #5 
  - Hi Kev,  althecat   Jul-13-09 12:29 AM   #6 
     - "taken over by difficult people" ? irony considering you honor someone who was banned from DU  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-13-09 12:10 PM   #7 
     - If Andy is as magnanimous as you depict him to be (I never knew him) do  diva77   Jul-14-09 12:20 PM   #15 
        - I'm sorry, but you just don't know what we went through back then,  Kelvin Mace   Jul-14-09 04:47 PM   #17 
        - The OP glorifies someone who screwed alot of people  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-14-09 05:15 PM   #19 
        - No shit, if I was Andy I would haunt every one of them, good God  kster   Jul-14-09 11:16 PM   #22 
           - How dare you presume to speak for Andy?!  Stephanie   Jul-15-09 02:12 PM   #26 
              - Did the DU, "election reform," four become five I don't think we  kster   Jul-16-09 11:20 PM   #31 
     - "Holt" is the bully on a public playground  kster   Jul-14-09 01:21 AM   #9 
     - I'm not excited about fed leg, but at least Holt isn't raising money off of this issue  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-14-09 01:43 AM   #10 
     - we had some HCPB only activists in one county in my state and you know what they got?  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-14-09 02:07 AM   #11 
     - KSTR, Holt isn't stopping states from passing their own laws, how's your paper ballot law coming?  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-14-09 11:35 AM   #14 
     - I'm looking forward to reading about how you are championing  Kelvin Mace   Jul-14-09 04:50 PM   #18 
     - KSTER, hand counted paper ballots are a "certified" voting system in my state  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-16-09 01:04 AM   #30 
     - Difficult?  Kelvin Mace   Jul-14-09 08:55 AM   #12 
        - "Bev to blame" for Holt's handling of election reform?  Wilms   Jul-14-09 10:28 AM   #13 
           - No, go back and read what I wrote  Kelvin Mace   Jul-14-09 04:41 PM   #16 
              - I stand by my reply.  Wilms   Jul-14-09 09:17 PM   #20 
                 - Holt initially was open to discussion  Kelvin Mace   Jul-15-09 08:11 AM   #23 
                    - If that makes you feel better about all means.  Wilms   Jul-15-09 10:14 AM   #25 
                       - You miss the point  Kelvin Mace   Jul-15-09 02:56 PM   #27 
                          - Again, it's a wide range of people.  Wilms   Jul-15-09 09:23 PM   #28 
  - Skinner's statement on banning Bev Harris from DU (over her threats and continued disruption of DU)  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-13-09 12:13 PM   #8 
  - kick.nt  kster   Jul-14-09 10:05 PM   #21 
  - Rather interesting  Kelvin Mace   Jul-15-09 09:19 AM   #24 
  - David... leaving you out was an oversight  althecat   Jul-17-09 02:11 AM   #32 
     - Thank you, Alastair  Kelvin Mace   Jul-17-09 10:08 AM   #33 
  - Al, your efforts are appreciated  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-16-09 01:01 AM   #29 

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