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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:13 PM
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8. Skinner's statement on banning Bev Harris from DU (over her threats and continued disruption of DU)
This is just one part of the disruption, this is even before she crapped all over Andy.

Statement on the Bev Harris situationFri Dec-03-04 02:31 PM

Over the past two years Bev Harris has received a great deal of support from the members of Democratic Underground, in her research, publicity efforts, and fundraising. In return we have played host to an 18 month-long squabble between Ms. Harris and other verified voting activists, and have even been threatened with lawuits by Ms. Harris herself. Despite this, we have publicly remained mostly silent on the verified voting squabbles.

We believe verified voting is a topic of crucial importance, and have been uncomfortable taking sides on an issue which, frankly, we should all be on the same side of anyway. Therefore we have kept most of our correspondence with the various factions private and attempted to cool things down behind the scenes. Like all issues discussed at DU, we have tried to focus the discussion of verified voting on the topic at hand, and not on the personalities of the participants. However, in light of the recent troubles, we feel compelled to make a statement.

In 2003 Bev Harris, along with a few other verified voting activists, were banned from DU for engaging in personal squabbles on the message board after they were repeatedly instructed to stop. Around that time, Ms. Harris threatened us with a libel lawsuit, claiming that we could be held responsible for comments made by other message board members who doubted the credibility of her project. She never followed through on this threat and we never heard from her lawyers.

Ms. Harris was reinstated shortly afterwards, after agreeing to put an end to the problems that got her banned in the first place. Nonetheless, those problems periodically recurred after her reinstatement. A few weeks ago, Ms. Harris again used our website to threaten DU with lawsuits, in her postings, in private messages to other members, and in rude alerts she sent to the moderators.

We sent a message to Ms. Harris telling her to stop hassling our moderators and members, and informing her that if she had a legal concern, she needed to contact us directly. We also let her know that her continued participation on this message board was dependent upon her behavior. The legal threats stopped, but we received no response from either Ms. Harris or her lawyers.

This is our personal experience with Ms. Harris. We cannot confirm or deny the veracity of claims made by others, including many former colleagues, her former publisher, and Keith Olbermann. But we can confirm that the claims made by others about Ms. Harris are not inconsistent with our own experiences.

We have remained as patient as possible in our dealings with Ms. Harris because we believe that the topic of verified voting is a crucial one. We were prepared to sacrifice a certain amount of tranquility on the message board if verified voting was being discussed in a generally positive manner.

Ms. Harris's recent spat with Keith Olbermann has made positive discussion of verified voting increasingly difficult on DU. For over a year and a half, our members have been split into pro- and anti-Bev factions, and recent events have only exacerbated that division. Yet this morning Ms. Harris returned to DU and started posting as if nothing had happened, while making liberal use of the alert button to complain to the moderators about our enforcement of the message board rules. At this point our patience finally ran out.

The fact that the disruptions have continued, despite repeated warnings from the administrators, leaves us with no other option but to bar Bev Harris from posting on this website. We no longer believe that it is productive to allow her to use DU as a platform to promote herself while simultaneously trashing us, our moderators, and others who have been previously supportive of her cause.

We still remain firmly committed to promoting discussion of verified voting, and we wish Ms. Harris well in her efforts to shed light on this important issue. From now on, we encourage all of our members to focus on discussing the verified voting issue itself, rather than the personalities involved.


This thread will remain open until further notice. Again, we would like to remind everyone to take care to avoid personal attacks. Thank you for your continued cooperation.
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  -How The Election Integrity Story Broke Here On DU - An Interview With Althecat On Oped News althecat  Jul-11-09 03:24 AM   #0 
  - Dear ERD... please KnR The Cross Posted GD Thread Here  althecat   Jul-11-09 03:26 AM   #1 
  - Out of curiousity why would anyone in DU unrec this thread... its about DU?  althecat   Jul-11-09 07:57 PM   #2 
  - Du wrong place to promote Bev Harris on anniversary of Andy Stephenson's death  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-11-09 09:06 PM   #3 
     - deleted  althecat   Jul-11-09 10:07 PM   #4 
  - May have broke here, but also got buried here  kster   Jul-12-09 11:07 PM   #5 
  - Hi Kev,  althecat   Jul-13-09 12:29 AM   #6 
     - "taken over by difficult people" ? irony considering you honor someone who was banned from DU  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-13-09 12:10 PM   #7 
     - If Andy is as magnanimous as you depict him to be (I never knew him) do  diva77   Jul-14-09 12:20 PM   #15 
        - I'm sorry, but you just don't know what we went through back then,  Kelvin Mace   Jul-14-09 04:47 PM   #17 
        - The OP glorifies someone who screwed alot of people  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-14-09 05:15 PM   #19 
        - No shit, if I was Andy I would haunt every one of them, good God  kster   Jul-14-09 11:16 PM   #22 
           - How dare you presume to speak for Andy?!  Stephanie   Jul-15-09 02:12 PM   #26 
              - Did the DU, "election reform," four become five I don't think we  kster   Jul-16-09 11:20 PM   #31 
     - "Holt" is the bully on a public playground  kster   Jul-14-09 01:21 AM   #9 
     - I'm not excited about fed leg, but at least Holt isn't raising money off of this issue  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-14-09 01:43 AM   #10 
     - we had some HCPB only activists in one county in my state and you know what they got?  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-14-09 02:07 AM   #11 
     - KSTR, Holt isn't stopping states from passing their own laws, how's your paper ballot law coming?  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-14-09 11:35 AM   #14 
     - I'm looking forward to reading about how you are championing  Kelvin Mace   Jul-14-09 04:50 PM   #18 
     - KSTER, hand counted paper ballots are a "certified" voting system in my state  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-16-09 01:04 AM   #30 
     - Difficult?  Kelvin Mace   Jul-14-09 08:55 AM   #12 
        - "Bev to blame" for Holt's handling of election reform?  Wilms   Jul-14-09 10:28 AM   #13 
           - No, go back and read what I wrote  Kelvin Mace   Jul-14-09 04:41 PM   #16 
              - I stand by my reply.  Wilms   Jul-14-09 09:17 PM   #20 
                 - Holt initially was open to discussion  Kelvin Mace   Jul-15-09 08:11 AM   #23 
                    - If that makes you feel better about all means.  Wilms   Jul-15-09 10:14 AM   #25 
                       - You miss the point  Kelvin Mace   Jul-15-09 02:56 PM   #27 
                          - Again, it's a wide range of people.  Wilms   Jul-15-09 09:23 PM   #28 
  - Skinner's statement on banning Bev Harris from DU (over her threats and continued disruption of DU)  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-13-09 12:13 PM   #8 
  - kick.nt  kster   Jul-14-09 10:05 PM   #21 
  - Rather interesting  Kelvin Mace   Jul-15-09 09:19 AM   #24 
  - David... leaving you out was an oversight  althecat   Jul-17-09 02:11 AM   #32 
     - Thank you, Alastair  Kelvin Mace   Jul-17-09 10:08 AM   #33 
  - Al, your efforts are appreciated  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-16-09 01:01 AM   #29 

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