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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-06-09 02:35 PM
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Instant Runoff Voting's Unintended Consequences to Democracy
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Instant Runoff Voting's Unintended Consequences to Democracy IRV does not work as advertised, has unintended consequences is costly & complicated to implement, damages election transparency, and threatens the confidence in election results. Several places that have tried Instant Runoff Voting are ditching it or moving to ditch it. IRV is not a solution, but a problem.

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Highlights from the article:

IRV is not "as easy as 1-2-3".
IRV actually hurts third parties.
IRV does NOT help voter turnout.
IRV consistently suffers from majority failure.
IRV does not save money
IRV affects Campaign Finance Disclosure.
IRV does NOT reduce or eliminate negative campaigning
IRV is complex to count
IRV is not additive
IRV is not transparent.
Current IRV Vote Counting Computers are experimental and not trustworthy
Instant Runoff Voting Results are not intuitive
Traditional Runoff Elections are much better than IRV
Other election methods that do not damage election integrity
IRV does not help racial minorities and may even impede them
IRV may negatively impact the disabled.
We can't even count votes the plain old vanilla way yet, but we are told we should adopt IRV and make elections more complicated

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  -Instant Runoff Voting's Unintended Consequences to Democracy WillYourVoteBCounted  Jul-06-09 02:35 PM   #0 
  - Instead of verifying, counting a true first vote, we'd have to use complex electronics, vulnerable  MarjorieG   Jul-06-09 03:20 PM   #1 
  - IRV works well in my city and ENHANCES election integrity  xxwwyy   Jul-07-09 11:54 AM   #5 
     - Burlington Instant Runoff Election riddled with pathologies  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-07-09 07:27 PM   #8 
     - oh, and welcome to DU xxwwyy - but Fair Vote is not noted for election integrity or trasnparency  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-07-09 07:30 PM   #9 
  - seems to work fine here in San Francisco n/t.  greeneyedboy   Jul-07-09 01:58 AM   #2 
  - That was my understanding - that it really worlks well there.  truedelphi   Jul-07-09 02:32 AM   #3 
  - Seems?  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-07-09 07:15 PM   #6 
  - Grand Jury report on problems with IRV in San Francisco  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-08-09 04:07 PM   #17 
  - Sounds to me like a problem in implementation, not an inherent system problem...  cascadiance   Jul-07-09 06:02 AM   #4 
     - IRV is "a kind of voting voodoo with election officials in the role of witch doctor"  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-07-09 07:19 PM   #7 
        - People vote now for the lesser of two evils and not their first choice...  cascadiance   Jul-07-09 09:06 PM   #10 
           - IRV has entrenched the two-party political system wherever it has been tried  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-07-09 10:28 PM   #11 
              - You just said here that a third party choice could finish ahead of one of the other two...  cascadiance   Jul-07-09 11:59 PM   #12 
                 - Besides failure to help 3rd parties, IRV makes election rigging easier  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-08-09 12:26 AM   #13 
                 - It isn't about helping third parties, it is about helping the system to represent voters!  cascadiance   Jul-08-09 04:39 AM   #15 
                    - IRV fails that too, because you can hurt your preferred candidate BY voting FOR him/her  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-08-09 04:06 PM   #16 
                       - I think you need to explain this because your statement isn't making sense to me...  cascadiance   Jul-08-09 04:45 PM   #18 
                          - Show documentation where IRV has helped 3rd parties  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-08-09 06:26 PM   #19 
                          - I have NO ties to voting vendors, but I DO see the value to the principles of IRV...  cascadiance   Jul-08-09 09:35 PM   #22 
                             - whn the largest "non profit" supporting IRV also supports voting vendors  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-08-09 10:43 PM   #24 
                                - Do you feel that there isn't a problem with the major parties ignoring big segments of the populace?  cascadiance   Jul-08-09 11:33 PM   #26 
                          - why is Fair Vote, the main IRV proponent - partners with voting vendors? and sells election services  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-08-09 06:31 PM   #20 
                             - A lot of both flawed and honest companies pursue solving certain problems...  cascadiance   Jul-08-09 09:22 PM   #21 
                                - you support IRV even though it harms election integrity, doesn't work, confuses voters & raises cost  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-08-09 10:41 PM   #23 
                                   - That's your assessment, not mine...  cascadiance   Jul-08-09 11:19 PM   #25 
                 - IRV will not usually prevent a STRONG 3rd party from winning  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-08-09 12:28 AM   #14 

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