Reply #14: It's ignorance on our part especially since the internet

[kster]

has become part of our life. When we debate on the net about how to make corporate vote counting machines safe. By using audits, risk base audits (and Ive done it), we stay right in the palm of their hands.

I have come to terms with myself that there is no way to make corporate owned secret vote counting machines safe. DREs, Optical scan or levers it just cant happen.

The machines put to few people in control of counting the ballots. That's a recipe for disaster, that's the only reason the machines were placed between us and our ballots in the first place.


1)"The winners, who hold the reigns of power, will always be convinced that the system worked well enough because it elected them".

If they are in power they wont need to be convinced the system worked well they know it worked well, and the losers Harlem globe trotters and the Washington Generals comes to mind.


2)HAVA was the exception, probably engineered by voting system vendors who caused the meltdown in FL 2000 (Sequoia punch cards, etc.). That was enough of a debacle to scare the winners and the losers"!

HAVA is no exception, winners and the losers where scared but only that the secret "job security" machines would be found out. So the politicians created HAVA so they could get the ultimate control of the elections. By trojan horsing the e-voting machines across the country at a faster pace.

3)The other exception is the Voting Rights Act. We should learn how they did that if we want to succeed.

Yes we should Bill, they all knew what needed to be done and they stayed on message.

If we think anyone of the politicians, the people that benefit from these machines can be called on to fix the secret vote counting machines, well, its like asking a car thief to make laws that will prevent people from stealing cars, it's laughable.

With the internet we can change this, but we need to get more people to see the light.

Ballot counting must be done before the ballots leave the neighborhood! Not a day/week after the election, but at the close of election at the polling place, by the people in the neighborhood. No two ways about it period.

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