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VerifiedVoter Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 12:38 PM
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19. There is no hidden agenda against IRV
But if you study the claims made for IRV, you will see that few if any ever come true.

In two of the three IRV contests you had a winner declared with:

1) only two candidates left standing AND

2) all the other ballots were exhausted AND

3) the threshold had not yet been crossed.

Know how they did it? Instead of holding a traditional runoff election because they had no clear winner, it appears as though they took a look at the subsequent rankings for the ballots belonging to the second place finisher at that point, and saw if there were any votes for the first place finisher - then added just enough votes to cross the threshold.

If you take votes from the second-highest vote getter finisher and give them to the top vote getter, you need to be able to see if there were any votes cast for the second-highest vote getter in subsequent rounds on the top-vote getter's original ballots - and allocate them in the same round.

That did not happen in Aspen. All candidates need to be treated the same in a round - otherwise you are merely manufacturing a preferential majority using ENRON vote counting techniques!

There does seem to be some sort of hidden agenda with the IRV folks - they are pushing for Proportional Representation as the end and IRV is the means to that end. Richie and Hill even put that down in print!

Chris Telesca
Wake County Verified Voting
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  -"Street Football" or how they crossed the threshold by pulling votes out of their "Asspen"! WillYourVoteBCounted  May-23-09 10:41 PM   #0 
  - I find nothing to back this claim of 1273 votes repeating.  Festivito   May-24-09 01:14 PM   #1 
     - you "imagine Republicans wouldn't like IRV."??? REALLY????  WillYourVoteBCounted   May-24-09 02:45 PM   #2 
     - We already have convoluted counting, e.g. dismissing absentees...  Festivito   May-24-09 03:04 PM   #5 
     - YES, FOOTBALL RULES, THEY JUST STOPPED COUNTING  WillYourVoteBCounted   May-24-09 02:46 PM   #3 
     - Do you have a link on that? Which three. /nt  Festivito   May-24-09 03:01 PM   #4 
        - ALL 3. Mayor and City Council Seats 1 and 2 - the entire IRV election  WillYourVoteBCounted   May-24-09 03:56 PM   #6 
           - Sir! You are mistaken. Your name calling is falsehood.  Festivito   May-24-09 05:50 PM   #7 
              - The IRV math makes no sense!  WillYourVoteBCounted   May-25-09 08:19 PM   #8 
                 - Your link showed no math.  Festivito   May-26-09 07:43 AM   #9 
                    - Does the Kool-Aid taste good? Has election been certified yet?  WillYourVoteBCounted   May-26-09 01:05 PM   #10 
                       - I'm not buying your Kool-aid innuendo, nor your distractions.  Festivito   May-26-09 02:04 PM   #11 
                          - Spoiled ballots, voter confusion the rule for Asspen's Instant Runoff Election  WillYourVoteBCounted   May-26-09 04:47 PM   #12 
                          - Invalid ballots is a problem with the form, not IRV well instituted.  Festivito   May-26-09 05:59 PM   #13 
                             - invalid ballot is the reality of Asspen IRV election  WillYourVoteBCounted   May-26-09 07:10 PM   #14 
                             - The motivation for IRV makes a lot of sense to me.  Wilms   May-26-09 10:19 PM   #15 
                                - on Beta and Terry Spore, they play a mans game... the 2nd card is turned up - except on Tuesday  WillYourVoteBCounted   May-26-09 10:30 PM   #16 
                                - At one time, IRV made sense to me  VerifiedVoter   May-27-09 11:27 AM   #18 
                                   - Just say no, Don't drink the Kool-Aid  WillYourVoteBCounted   May-27-09 11:34 PM   #20 
                          - It's all relevant!  VerifiedVoter   May-27-09 11:20 AM   #17 
     - There is no hidden agenda against IRV  VerifiedVoter   May-27-09 12:38 PM   #19 

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