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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 05:59 PM
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13. Invalid ballots is a problem with the form, not IRV well instituted.
First, a form should have a NO VOTE vote, lest the machine be misaligned and drop all votes and not flag the voter.

Second, There should be no invalid votes. But, this would be a far more difficult to understand voting process, beyond the average American voter's intellect, but possible.

Next, casting a vote for one and only one vote in a column should not be that hard to understand. That the second, third, etc. columns are optional should also be easy enough to understand.

If a voter does vote for more than one in a column and does not correct that column when flagged, that is their inability and their loss of voting in that column. It should not invalidate their entire ballot, only invalidate that column and perhaps those behind it.

ASIDE, if my second point were implemented, any multiple voting in a column would be fine, it would raise the overall threshold needed for a clear win. (Also it would lessen the chance of two races having the same number outcome as they do now.) There would be no invalid ballots. Except that not voting at all would be flagged if not explicitly noted on the ballot per my first note.

Invalid ballots can be eliminated.

Catching two or more votes in a one vote only column works now, it works, it works in old multiple election runoff elections you prefer. So, flagging it in an IRV election is not hard. The form needs to aggregate the columns better. Not like the example shown with wide white space in all directions. Box the column, label it, and give reasonable instruction or implement vote casting under the use of computer.

Certainly, if computer printed ballots are used, the computer program printing the ballot can catch any errors with the person being able to print their own ballot from home. The ballot can be stamped with traceable inks by poll workers and also by a automated reading machine, on the backside of the page of course. Stamps can even automatically number to reduce any attempt at ballot stuffing that now is most easily done by incumbents in charge of printing ballots and for being in charge they often go unchallenged when they cheat.

Yours for a more perfect union,
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  -"Street Football" or how they crossed the threshold by pulling votes out of their "Asspen"! WillYourVoteBCounted  May-23-09 10:41 PM   #0 
  - I find nothing to back this claim of 1273 votes repeating.  Festivito   May-24-09 01:14 PM   #1 
     - you "imagine Republicans wouldn't like IRV."??? REALLY????  WillYourVoteBCounted   May-24-09 02:45 PM   #2 
     - We already have convoluted counting, e.g. dismissing absentees...  Festivito   May-24-09 03:04 PM   #5 
     - YES, FOOTBALL RULES, THEY JUST STOPPED COUNTING  WillYourVoteBCounted   May-24-09 02:46 PM   #3 
     - Do you have a link on that? Which three. /nt  Festivito   May-24-09 03:01 PM   #4 
        - ALL 3. Mayor and City Council Seats 1 and 2 - the entire IRV election  WillYourVoteBCounted   May-24-09 03:56 PM   #6 
           - Sir! You are mistaken. Your name calling is falsehood.  Festivito   May-24-09 05:50 PM   #7 
              - The IRV math makes no sense!  WillYourVoteBCounted   May-25-09 08:19 PM   #8 
                 - Your link showed no math.  Festivito   May-26-09 07:43 AM   #9 
                    - Does the Kool-Aid taste good? Has election been certified yet?  WillYourVoteBCounted   May-26-09 01:05 PM   #10 
                       - I'm not buying your Kool-aid innuendo, nor your distractions.  Festivito   May-26-09 02:04 PM   #11 
                          - Spoiled ballots, voter confusion the rule for Asspen's Instant Runoff Election  WillYourVoteBCounted   May-26-09 04:47 PM   #12 
                          - Invalid ballots is a problem with the form, not IRV well instituted.  Festivito   May-26-09 05:59 PM   #13 
                             - invalid ballot is the reality of Asspen IRV election  WillYourVoteBCounted   May-26-09 07:10 PM   #14 
                             - The motivation for IRV makes a lot of sense to me.  Wilms   May-26-09 10:19 PM   #15 
                                - on Beta and Terry Spore, they play a mans game... the 2nd card is turned up - except on Tuesday  WillYourVoteBCounted   May-26-09 10:30 PM   #16 
                                - At one time, IRV made sense to me  VerifiedVoter   May-27-09 11:27 AM   #18 
                                   - Just say no, Don't drink the Kool-Aid  WillYourVoteBCounted   May-27-09 11:34 PM   #20 
                          - It's all relevant!  VerifiedVoter   May-27-09 11:20 AM   #17 
     - There is no hidden agenda against IRV  VerifiedVoter   May-27-09 12:38 PM   #19 

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