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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 07:11 AM
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3. Ah yes, the pros and cons of the features of the train headed THE WRONG WAY (transparency too late)
Edited on Wed Apr-01-09 07:17 AM by Land Shark
Audit transparency. Concealed counts.

Try suing for recounts or to change elections and come back and tell me that the first counts are not the final counts 99.9% of the time, and 100% of the time in corrupt elections where one's trying to remove the party controlling the vote counting/the imbumbent.

The only statewide examples of any post-election recount (a form of 'audit') changing the result were in Democratic states where a Democrat replaced the incumbent Dem governor by finding votes in Dem counties (WA state, 2004) and (looks like) in a solid Dem state (Franken, MN) but watch out for the appeal they've been planning all along as Coleman's lawyers recently admitted. They will attempt a re-run of Bush v. gore, or in the alternative delay Franken as long as possible.

Post-election remedies, as a class, are an extremely poor bet. They can't "check and balance" concealed secret vote counts on election night. It just doesn't work, and it REALLY doesn't work when it's really needed to work -- look at post election litigation where challengers are trying to replace entrenched machines and you'll see what I mean about post-election remedies.

Holt's entire investment is in the post-election basket. A very poor place to bet the entire integrity of democracy.
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