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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 08:28 AM
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13. oh, I see how I misread you
We agree that TIA didn't offer an explanation -- I just misinterpreted what you wrote. I apologize for that.

The problem with linking TIA's analysis to DRE vote switching is that I think everyone concedes that in 2004, the largest average exit poll discrepancies by voting technology were in precincts that used mechanical voting machines, aka lever machines. That doesn't say much about the extent of DRE vote switching, just that by itself it can't do much to explain the exit poll discrepancies.

Yes, I think there is confidence that Gore won Florida based on a voter-intent standard, all the more so if voter intent had been accurately recorded. The precinct-level results have been pretty closely scrutinized, and I know of no strong reason to postulate vote-switching. There were many thousands of overvotes that have been attributed to voter error but are at least superficially consistent with punch card tampering, although I don't know of any evidence supporting the latter hypothesis. And of course there were many thousands of undervotes as well.
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  - tl;dr  laconicsax   Mar-30-09 11:59 PM   #1 
  - K/R! Needs 1 More for the "Greatest" Page  AndyTiedye   Mar-31-09 02:05 AM   #2 
  - K&R x 1,000!  Peace Patriot   Mar-31-09 03:10 AM   #3 
  - K&R nt  Mithreal   Mar-31-09 03:11 AM   #4 
  - In Fla in at least one precinct  HillbillyBob   Sep-18-09 04:21 PM   #28 
     - Tell them to shred THIS!  Bill Bored   Sep-18-09 04:27 PM   #29 
  - A MASTERPIECE k*r!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  autorank   Mar-31-09 03:19 AM   #5 
  - Given all the "new" revelations that DRE's & tabulators steal and drop votes...  Sancho   Mar-31-09 06:30 AM   #6 
  - I missed it... where is TIA's explanation?  OnTheOtherHand   Mar-31-09 06:38 AM   #7 
     - I've never seen sufficient precinct level data to do proper analysis of fraud...  Sancho   Mar-31-09 07:24 AM   #9 
     - "proper" analysis?  OnTheOtherHand   Mar-31-09 07:34 AM   #10 
        - There are many ways to skin the cat...  Sancho   Mar-31-09 08:00 AM   #12 
           - well, there's still a basic disconnect here  OnTheOtherHand   Mar-31-09 08:33 AM   #14 
              - Yes, I have jioned with Freeman on some efforts...  Sancho   Apr-01-09 01:55 PM   #18 
                 - hmm  OnTheOtherHand   Apr-01-09 02:27 PM   #20 
                    - There have been challenges in Florida, but what causes a court to intervene?  Sancho   Apr-02-09 06:43 AM   #22 
                       - well, I wasn't talking about courts  OnTheOtherHand   Apr-02-09 11:33 AM   #23 
                          - There has not been enough outcry to overturn elections here yet...but  Sancho   Apr-02-09 01:13 PM   #24 
     - TIA didn't offer an explanation...his results is consistent with possible problems.  Sancho   Mar-31-09 07:42 AM   #11 
     - oh, I see how I misread you  OnTheOtherHand   Mar-31-09 08:28 AM   #13 
        - I would guess that a hacker or hacker would not have "one" method...  Sancho   Apr-01-09 02:07 PM   #19 
           - yes, one should assume not  OnTheOtherHand   Apr-01-09 02:35 PM   #21 
     - "I don't think I have *ever* seen [TIA] analyze precinct-level results." The following confirmed  tiptoe   Mar-31-09 02:28 PM   #15 
        - sorry, no  OnTheOtherHand   Mar-31-09 03:21 PM   #17 
  - K&R  pleah   Mar-31-09 07:12 AM   #8 
  - k nt  tiptoe   Jul-11-09 11:18 AM   #25 
  - k&r.  byronius   Mar-31-09 03:15 PM   #16 
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