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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 01:28 PM
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38. mmm
What does it mean to say that there are simple methods to audit lever machines? We don't even know if all forms of lever machine 'failure' are (practically) detectable after the fact, and there is reason to think not. Even detectable failures may not be correctable. I imagine this isn't likely to be consequential in statewide races except for the very closest, but the data are pretty sparse -- and that in itself makes me very unhappy.

I'm not sure what your point is about CA-4. I guess you're saying you would be more sure who won if it had been conducted on lever machines. I don't know why. Apparently it has to do with a priori confidence in the levers. I don't have a priori confidence in the levers.

You say no vote switching is possible on lever machines, which may be true of the AVMs -- I wouldn't know. According to Gumbel, there have been live demonstrations of how to switch votes on Shoups. Is this material? Depends on the subject.

Dunno. We have a basic difference here. Basically, it seems to me that scanner error is correctable and lever error isn't. Scanner error could be much larger, but bigger errors are easier to detect. And as much as I enjoy voting on lever machines, I don't think they score high on usability, and I don't think it's ideal to have two voting systems. Also, I think all this is moot. If Andi Novick has a winning legal argument, we'll have lever machines; otherwise, not.
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