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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 12:32 PM
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Way to Rig Elections on Scale Unimagined - Right Here Right Now
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As many states in the US get rid of paperless computerized voting, new ways to rig elections are promoted. Don't let this get past you - this is a threat to all of us, and could undo every bit of work we have done over the years. We've made it unprofitable for voting vendors to sell paperless computerized voting systems, so a new hole in the wall has developed. What would be the easiest way to rig elections on the grandest scale of all? Internet Voting. But it has to be "seeded" somewhere first, to lull officials and the public into thinking it is safe.

Pretty soon this hole will be a big crack in the dam.

Internet Voting is being proposed in several states: Just two of several are Washington and Maryland. Washington's SOS is leading the way in that state, and Maryland has legislation to do a feasibility study. Mayland's venture into internet voting is hidden in the benign sounding Voters Rights Protection Act of 2009 (SB320)
None of these states seem to care that the computer sciences community and the 30 computer scientists and network security experts have signed a statement against the use of the Internet for transmittal of voted ballots.
And with Linda Lamone at the helm of Maryland elections, don't expect her to recommend having real internet security experts to provide input.

Paul DeGregorio, one of the nations former top election officials is working for a company that sells internet voting services:

Everyone Counts Jul 9, 2007 ... Paul DeGregorio, former Chair of the US Election Assistance Commission and COO of IFES, joins Everyone Counts as COO ...

Former EAC Chair Gregorio's company ran the Presidential primary for Democrats Abroad, giving the company high visibility:

Americans abroad can now vote online
By JESSICA BERNSTEIN-WAX, Associated Press Writer
Mon Jan 21, 7:25 AM ET

..."The online system is incredibly secure: That was one of our biggest goals," said Lindsey Reynolds, executive director of Democrats Abroad. "And it does allow access to folks who ordinarily wouldn't get to participate." U.S. citizens wanting to vote online must join Democrats Abroad before Feb. 1 and indicate their preference to vote by Internet instead of in the local primaries wherever they last lived in the United States. They must promise not to vote twice for president, but can still participate in non-presidential local elections. Members get a personal identification number from Everyone Counts Inc., the San Diego-based company running the online election. They can then use the number to log in and cast their ballots.

Now the Secretary of State of Washington, Sam Reed - wants to use that state's military as internet voting guinea pigs

Online voting system would require scrutinyThe Olympian Published February 15, 2009
Critic John Gideon from Voters Unite, a national voting watchdog organization, testified that the National Institute of Standards and Technology issued a report in 2008 that concluded the Internet is not safe for voting. He also criticized the proposed legislation in this state because it lacks public oversight and does not provide for federal testing or certification of the voting software. He also asked where the money is going to come from to put Washington at the forefront of Internet voting technology.

In some respects, Reed is asking voters and the Legislature to trust him. He and his staff say they only will research the options and will settle on a system only that is both safe and secure.

But the bills before lawmakers say the Internet voting system is not subject to voting-system standards. That's moving in the wrong direction. What's needed is more, not less outside scrutiny.

Reed's legislation should be amended to require that any Internet system he suggests undergo vigorous independent testing and analysis by technology experts. It was, after all, those experts who poked holes in the proposed federal voting system.

Before lawmakers pass any legislation, they must ensure that any Internet voting system in this state undergo vigorous examination, testing and certification before it's put into place.

Wake UP! The thief is on our back door.

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  -Way to Rig Elections on Scale Unimagined - Right Here Right Now WillYourVoteBCounted  Feb-15-09 12:32 PM   #0 
  - Internet voting is insane.  aquart   Feb-15-09 12:35 PM   #1 
  - This IS... CORPORATISTNATION!  DaLittle Kitty   Feb-16-09 08:56 PM   #27 
     - So Who Represents US? Answer... Nada!  DaLittle Kitty   Feb-16-09 08:57 PM   #28 
  - Internet voting is a viciously horrible idea. (nt)  w4rma   Feb-15-09 12:50 PM   #2 
  - Internet voting is even less secure than the repugs electronic voting machines.  RC   Feb-15-09 12:54 PM   #3 
  - K&R.....nt  Jack Bone   Feb-15-09 01:12 PM   #4 
  - Sorry, we can't pay attention to this. We are too busy tooting for Hand Counted Paper Ballots and...  Yellow Horse   Feb-15-09 01:22 PM   #5 
  - It's already on the internet - LA County central tabulator is rigged with the internet.  diva77   Feb-15-09 03:41 PM   #6 
  - wonder who will hire the best hackers  flyingobject   Feb-15-09 04:03 PM   #7 
  - Arizona DEMS actually used it in 2000  troubleinwinter   Feb-15-09 05:32 PM   #8 
  - Even if it were secure, which it isn't, it's a bad idea.  Laelth   Feb-15-09 08:50 PM   #9 
  - Ballots from the internet is good, counting across internet is insane.  Festivito   Feb-15-09 10:15 PM   #10 
  - Internet voting would be just another way to keep the poor from voting. n/t  TBF   Feb-16-09 10:09 AM   #11 
  - Vote by mail, Vote by Mail, Vote by Mail. I know, I know, it's to simple.  bagrman   Feb-16-09 11:38 AM   #12 
  - I would think the theft would occur within the Post Office by vote-stealing operatives. nt  valerief   Feb-16-09 11:47 AM   #14 
  - You have to copy the signatures, and that would be tough on 100 ballots.  bagrman   Feb-17-09 09:36 AM   #30 
     - Who checks signatures? nt  valerief   Feb-17-09 11:37 AM   #33 
  - Don't tell my daughter's freshman class that.  Career Prole   Feb-16-09 12:03 PM   #17 
  - Thats great, they would be excited about doing their civic duty.  bagrman   Feb-17-09 09:35 AM   #29 
     - Better believe it!  Career Prole   Feb-17-09 05:17 PM   #34 
  - "better then someone flipping a switch" doesn't mean it's good.  Wilms   Feb-17-09 10:38 AM   #32 
  - Not a good idea in "party machine" states. Every state isn't Oregon.  demodonkey   Feb-21-09 01:23 AM   #36 
  - What, the repubics have figured out the Internets is more than a  acmavm   Feb-16-09 11:38 AM   #13 
  - And it's more than a bunch of nets, too. nt  valerief   Feb-16-09 11:48 AM   #15 
  - Text from an otherwise good bill in Md...  hootinholler   Feb-16-09 11:55 AM   #16 
  - Best way to end this nonsense  Jackpine Radical   Feb-16-09 12:26 PM   #18 
  - only in dem districts  lame54   Feb-16-09 12:40 PM   #19 
     - Not if they think we're working on a methodology  Jackpine Radical   Feb-16-09 04:41 PM   #26 
  - Simple solution: national election laws for national elections  DetlefK   Feb-16-09 12:50 PM   #20 
  - That's, in part, how we got HAVA.  Wilms   Feb-16-09 12:57 PM   #21 
  - REGISTER REPUBLICAN FOR 2012.... support PALIN.... 4 more years of OBAMA ! ! !  happygoluckytoyou   Feb-16-09 12:57 PM   #22 
  - The president of the company has a video interview on San Diego Fox news.  Kablooie   Feb-16-09 01:21 PM   #23 
  - thank you Kablooie  WillYourVoteBCounted   Feb-16-09 03:41 PM   #25 
  - This is completely insane. Anybody, anywhere could rig it.  TrogL   Feb-16-09 02:27 PM   #24 
  - This must become a frontburner issue BEFORE the next election!!!!  BrklynLiberal   Feb-17-09 10:33 AM   #31 
  - I'm giving this a kick again, because we need to pay attention!  demodonkey   Feb-20-09 09:35 PM   #35 
  - No Way!  a777pilot   Feb-21-09 09:10 AM   #37 

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