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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 10:48 AM
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95. I tip my hat to you sir
And I might ask too, if you don't mind an addition to your own questions, why a "reporter" would do someone "a favor" by not naming them after they have concluded that the person is dishonest, but identify them in any case. In addition, even if Renner thought I was being dishonest in my work (and the rule of thumb is that you notify the person's editor, as we did with him, and pointed line by line what the errors were), as a journalist you are still obligated to allow them to respond. I have my view of Karl Rove, but I STILL am obligated to give him a chance to respond to allegations. That is called journalism.

Finally, for all of Renner's strange claims, what I cannot figure is why he claims he never contacted me. He did so on 1/13 to ask if I was in Ohio and "what I thought about this strange case." Of course he did not a). list the allegations to which I could respond, b). did not tell me he was on deadline, and c). seemed to be rather pleasant. I responded to him on 1/15 and said I would enjoy meeting with him and gave him my contact details. He never followed up. So why would someone send that email, then say they "elected not to contact me."

The whole thing becomes more strange by the minute.

I should add too that Renner included that Channel 19 report that we had already debunked. There were no canceled flights. There was one confirmed aborted flight on September 18 and that was due to engine trouble, according to Mrs. Connell.

I would be very surprised if she is pleased with your article. And so everyone knows, we attempted to resolve this quietly by calling him. He insulted my editor on the phone. We then went line by line and issued a letter to his editor, who in turn sent as a two sentence response basically saying too bad. All of this was being done quietly so as to not get into a fight of this nature in public. But since they refuse to correct the record, or even allow me to respond, and since they refuse to remove me from the paragraph where Mrs. Connell is getting threatening postcards by some vague person or persons, they leave me no choice but to publicly address this. Renner admitting in a public forum that he started off never intending to let me respond underscores the lack of ethics. As I have said, even Karl Rove gets a chance to respond when I do an article - that is called journalism. My opinions of him do not matter.
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  - WTF???  Dennis Donovan   Jan-21-09 07:31 PM   #3 
  - I'm sure that's who Mrs. Connell was talking about  creeksneakers2   Jan-21-09 08:03 PM   #6 
  - you are assuming that Heather actually said this...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 12:15 AM   #11 
  - Larisa is NOT a "self-styled journalist." She has broken major stories.  Hissyspit   Jan-21-09 11:18 PM   #9 
     - Hiss...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 12:28 AM   #14 
        - James Renner should have let you tell your side  creeksneakers2   Jan-22-09 07:39 PM   #47 
           - as usual...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 09:04 PM   #50 
              - I didn't assume anything  creeksneakers2   Jan-22-09 09:44 PM   #55 
                 - did you read my last article  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 09:57 PM   #58 
                 - Yeah. I read lots of stuff about Connell  creeksneakers2   Jan-22-09 10:03 PM   #60 
                    - i did not OUT  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 10:11 PM   #63 
                 - Here you go, nearly 3000 words...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 09:59 PM   #59 
                    - Those reports came out of Velvet Underground too.  creeksneakers2   Jan-22-09 10:05 PM   #61 
                       - lmao...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 10:23 PM   #64 
                       - creekersneeker2 was tombstoned, funny coinkiedink with you  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jan-24-09 02:01 PM   #106 
  - Merry Widow  Jambalaya   Jan-21-09 07:32 PM   #4 
  - Very bizzare disclosure. Some "investigation", eh? n/t  chill_wind   Jan-21-09 11:15 PM   #8 
  - yes.. why does he not name me?  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 12:18 AM   #13 
     - Exactly. It seems like an effort to discredit and chase away  chill_wind   Jan-22-09 03:54 AM   #17 
        - don't know who this guy is...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 04:00 AM   #18 
        - Larisa, a couple links I just grabbed in post #19. n/t  chill_wind   Jan-22-09 04:06 AM   #20 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-22-09 09:01 PM   #49 
        - That is the way it looks to me too. What a hit piece. nt  glitch   Jan-22-09 08:28 AM   #26 
           - yeah...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 11:41 AM   #28 
              - Hmm, I wonder if Arneback has seen this? Could be very interesting to him.  glitch   Jan-22-09 02:08 PM   #36 
  - what is strange here too and which makes me think he is making it up  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 12:17 AM   #12 
  - Just a guess  creeksneakers2   Jan-22-09 06:13 AM   #24 
     - okay... this is the first sensible thing i have seen you type  lala_rawraw   Jan-23-09 11:29 PM   #80 
  - and then she goes on about how she has her husband's ashes in the house ...  zbdent   Jan-23-09 12:06 PM   #71 
  - I'm not sure the heading "Cover Story" sends the message they want,  bleever   Jan-21-09 10:56 PM   #7 
  - ::Smack!:: That went right by me the first time I read it. :-)  chill_wind   Jan-22-09 04:55 AM   #23 
  - this is the second time you have posted this  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 12:12 AM   #10 
  - I started 2 threads at the same time  creeksneakers2   Jan-22-09 01:24 PM   #35 
  - delete  Hissyspit   Jan-22-09 01:13 AM   #15 
  - what did you delete?  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 02:52 AM   #16 
     - It was incoherent. I was falling asleep at the keyboard.  Hissyspit   Jan-22-09 12:15 PM   #33 
        - ah...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 03:13 PM   #40 
  - James Renner  chill_wind   Jan-22-09 04:04 AM   #19 
  - seems kind of cool actually  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 04:13 AM   #21 
     - Among other things, he fancies himself to be a debunker..  chill_wind   Jan-22-09 04:32 AM   #22 
     - Was the link to newamericancentury.org at the bottom of Renner's story  clear eye   Jan-25-09 12:10 PM   #114 
     - i wonder if she told him about the bomb threat at the park  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 11:49 AM   #29 
        - Larisa, I just found some more that would interest you. See post # 45.  chill_wind   Jan-22-09 07:16 PM   #46 
  - Sounds like they are trying to discredit Connell, a la Martha Mitchell.  glitch   Jan-22-09 08:24 AM   #25 
  - this style reminds me of that local Alabama hack  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 11:38 AM   #27 
     - I've got his name somewhere. I'll see if I can find it.  Hissyspit   Jan-22-09 12:08 PM   #30 
     - he was that guy who was at Horont's Alabama lecture  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 12:14 PM   #32 
        - Eddie Curran.  Hissyspit   Jan-22-09 12:21 PM   #34 
           - yes... yep... that is him  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 03:11 PM   #38 
              - Yes.  Hissyspit   Jan-22-09 03:48 PM   #41 
     - Ha! That is what I just said in response to your other post.  glitch   Jan-22-09 02:11 PM   #37 
        - great minds...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 03:11 PM   #39 
  - Larisa is not an "RS blogger." She is a major American investigative journalist.  Hissyspit   Jan-22-09 12:12 PM   #31 
  - since when is "blogger" an attack?  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-22-09 04:36 PM   #42 
  - um...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 09:18 PM   #51 
  - certainly, you said no such thing n/t  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-23-09 04:58 AM   #67 
     - but i am trying to  lala_rawraw   Jan-23-09 11:25 PM   #79 
        - my take, briefly  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-24-09 07:18 AM   #85 
           - well we will agree to disagree then  lala_rawraw   Jan-24-09 09:34 AM   #91 
  - Larisa does not "blog" on Raw Story.  Hissyspit   Jan-22-09 10:48 PM   #65 
     - huh?  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-23-09 05:26 AM   #68 
  - My subject line just boils down to as few words as I could fashion  creeksneakers2   Jan-22-09 05:36 PM   #43 
     - fallacy of the excluded middle?  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-22-09 05:47 PM   #44 
     - as to your last point...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 09:24 PM   #53 
        - You said that the first time I posted.  creeksneakers2   Jan-22-09 09:51 PM   #56 
        - no... i actually was stupid enough  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 09:56 PM   #57 
           - I'm continuing to follow this story.  creeksneakers2   Jan-22-09 10:08 PM   #62 
        - I couldna care less  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-23-09 05:40 AM   #69 
     - interesting...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 09:22 PM   #52 
  - Questions raised by others about the cred of James Renner (book).  chill_wind   Jan-22-09 06:59 PM   #45 
  - Two more blogs of opposing perspective- more on Renner.  chill_wind   Jan-22-09 08:06 PM   #48 
     - wow... well  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 09:26 PM   #54 
  - And you post this hit piece here on DU because????  L. Coyote   Jan-22-09 11:16 PM   #66 
  - I'm not sure its a hit piece  creeksneakers2   Jan-23-09 10:37 AM   #70 
     - well, i ask again...  lala_rawraw   Jan-23-09 12:18 PM   #72 
        - I called it a great piece  creeksneakers2   Jan-23-09 05:50 PM   #74 
           - wow, you really get around  lala_rawraw   Jan-23-09 11:12 PM   #77 
  - Our election system is now run by private, rightwing corporations...  Peace Patriot   Jan-23-09 05:37 PM   #73 
  - wow, you have some nerve  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-23-09 06:58 PM   #75 
     - You did it twice (at least).  Peace Patriot   Jan-23-09 09:06 PM   #76 
     - I'm waiting for OnTheOtherHand to prove his allegation-"Fact-checking never was your forte."  Peace Patriot   Jan-24-09 12:35 AM   #82 
     - what, you want me to wade through the archives?  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-24-09 07:28 AM   #86 
     - malarkey  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-24-09 07:34 AM   #87 
     - May I say something here?  lala_rawraw   Jan-23-09 11:21 PM   #78 
        - This whole stinking cesspool detracts from people doing real journlism and investigation  L. Coyote   Jan-23-09 11:38 PM   #81 
        - Yeah, I understand your point (ignore it), but I entered a couple of this character's  Peace Patriot   Jan-24-09 07:53 AM   #88 
        - I smell sulpher in the OP  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jan-24-09 01:46 AM   #83 
        - Quote  creeksneakers2   Jan-24-09 07:09 AM   #84 
           - Ah, the Grand Inquisitor is back! Answer his questions, or you're a liar.  Peace Patriot   Jan-24-09 08:37 AM   #89 
           - Larisa  JamesRenner   Jan-24-09 08:57 AM   #90 
           - Wow... Mr. Renner  lala_rawraw   Jan-24-09 09:38 AM   #92 
           - I asked him for his reaction on his blog  creeksneakers2   Jan-24-09 10:28 AM   #94 
           - my, my  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-24-09 10:26 AM   #93 
           - I tip my hat to you sir  lala_rawraw   Jan-24-09 10:48 AM   #95 
           - He has his moments.  Ellipsis   Jan-24-09 10:57 AM   #97 
           - definitely some things a journalist would NOT write  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jan-24-09 01:30 PM   #104 
           - Those are great questions  creeksneakers2   Jan-24-09 12:22 PM   #98 
           - If you think that was bad...  lala_rawraw   Jan-24-09 12:30 PM   #99 
           - I see...it's not election fraud, it's just a kerfuffle.  Jim Sagle   Jan-25-09 10:41 PM   #115 
              - late to the thread?  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-26-09 08:34 AM   #117 
              - I know exactly what you're driving at, and no, I won't be stopped.  Jim Sagle   Jan-26-09 11:20 AM   #118 
                 - oh, bravely said!  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-26-09 05:31 PM   #119 
                    - We'd ALL feel much more alive if the obvious election fraud in 2004 were forced into the open and  Jim Sagle   Jan-26-09 06:08 PM   #120 
                       - la  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-26-09 08:29 PM   #121 
                          - Take a look at this whole thread.  Jim Sagle   Jan-26-09 09:16 PM   #122 
                             - I guess that would be, "No, no point"  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-27-09 05:17 AM   #124 
              - welcome to the Election Reform Forum  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jan-26-09 09:51 PM   #123 
           - ...and you're all of 30 years old. I doubt very much...  Ellipsis   Jan-24-09 10:54 AM   #96 
           - I read yer shit on the original link.  Jim Sagle   Jan-25-09 10:44 PM   #116 
           - is this the same as sockpuppet Creekersneeker2?  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jan-24-09 01:58 PM   #105 
              - I'm not him  creeksneakers2   Jan-24-09 02:50 PM   #107 
  - There's a very interesting interview of Larisa on this subject  creeksneakers2   Jan-24-09 12:36 PM   #100 
     - does anyone think  lala_rawraw   Jan-24-09 12:41 PM   #101 
     - No. Strikes me a message... someone didn't want you to interface.  Ellipsis   Jan-24-09 01:14 PM   #103 
     - and a discussion thread in GD on all of this  Ellipsis   Jan-24-09 01:03 PM   #102 
        - Larisa  JamesRenner   Jan-24-09 03:29 PM   #108 
        - By all means  lala_rawraw   Jan-24-09 05:25 PM   #109 
        - You believe the widow of a man who worked for Karl Rove, who was Rove's high tech  Peace Patriot   Jan-24-09 05:46 PM   #110 
        - Dude, I'm not Larisa. Are you really James Renner? I have to tell you...  Ellipsis   Jan-24-09 05:50 PM   #111 
        - It's on the DU front page, now.  Hissyspit   Jan-24-09 07:54 PM   #112 
           - mark's interview should be front page  lala_rawraw   Jan-24-09 08:21 PM   #113 
 

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