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Response to Reply #75
76. You did it twice (at least).

31. Larisa is not an "RS blogger."


Response to Reply #31
42. since when is "blogger" an attack?

Josh Marshall was named Blogger of the Year by The Week, and also won a Polk. I don't know whether Larisa has done anything Polk-worthy, but I really don't know why it would be offensive to refer to her as a blogger.


Response to Reply #42
51. um...

I did not say I was offended nor would I claim to have done anything polk-worthy... i think Hissy is speaking to the OP and their habits... long story, but I think that is what Hissy means.


Response to Reply #51
67. certainly, you said no such thing n/t


Response to Reply #42
65. Larisa does not "blog" on Raw Story. Updated at 9:32 PM

She posts investigative journalism pieces. She does have a blog. I have a blog. I refer to myself as a blogger. But Larisa does not blog on Raw Story and the OP has a history and the article has an agenda. Context.


Response to Reply #65
68. huh?

Edited on Fri Jan-23-09 03:43 AM by OnTheOtherHand

You're slicing pretty fine here. It's true (AFAIK) that L.A. doesn't have a blog on Raw Story. Raw Story itself may not be a blog, but it is sufficiently bloggy to post: "Want a distinctive Raw Story logo that you can add to your blogroll or personal web page?" ETA: My point is that whether or not it's strictly accurate to call L.A. an "RS blogger," it seems pretty farfetched to portray it as an "attack."

"...and the OP has a history and the article has an agenda. Context."

So basically you're telling me that your conclusions are predetermined. Good to know.

What is the article's agenda? Why does it make no attempt to assess Spoonamore's claims, for instance? That would seem to matter more than what Heather Connell said, for purposes of figuring out what happened in 2004. (As for figuring out what happened to her husband's plane, I don't assume that she can help with that.) Analytically, it's just a mess. Beyond that (whether it actually fabricates quotations, for instance) I have no way of knowing.


creeksneakers2 Thu Jan-22-09 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #31
Edited on Thu Jan-22-09 03:37 PM by creeksneakers2
43. My subject line just boils down to as few words as I could fashion

(First part not directly relevant to my point--PP)

I've answered lots of questions but few if any of mine have been answered. I think finding out whether elections were stolen and Karl Rove murdered, or whether an elaborate hoax has built to the point in the blogosphere that at least 80 Google pages are about it, are far more important than who I am or what my motivations are. I'm a nobody. But on the other hand, I could be right.


OnTheOtherHand Thu Jan-22-09 03:47 PM
Response to Reply #43
Edited on Thu Jan-22-09 04:10 PM by OnTheOtherHand
44. fallacy of the excluded middle?

(First part not directly relevant to my point--PP)

ETA: But I agree with your broader point: to me it would seem more progressive-like if folks stopped speculating about your motives and focused on figuring out what really happened.


lala_rawraw Thu Jan-22-09 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #44
53. as to your last point...

there is a reason why people take issue with the OP... there is a history. it is not the point the person is making now that is at issue, rather, it is the patterns that make this point seem not really in good faith.


On two occasions on this thread, Larisa has had to defend herself in response to your remarks.

1. In one case, she feels compelled to defend someone who was defending her--Hissyspit's calling Creaksneaker on the attempted put-down of the "blogger" subject line. She ends up having to explain, once again, to you, why Creaksneaker's motives are in question, in posting this putrid article TWICE.

2. You agree with Creaksneakers2 that his/her behavior at DU, and the motivations for that behavior, are not an important issue. Larisa believes that it is. Creeksneakers's posts have been slanderous, and offensive. You "agree with" Creaksneaker's "broader point: to me it would seem more progressive-like if folks stopped speculating about your motives and focused on figuring out what really happened." This is just plain insulting to Larisa. She is an investigative reporter "focused on figuring out what really happened." Creeksneakers has lodged groundless, false, unfactual and distracting attacks against her at DU, repeatedly. She has a right to know why, and to ask why.


I also know you from the Election Forum, for relentlessly attacking the efforts of staticians, Ph.D.'s, and ordinary citizens like me, in trying to figure out what went wrong in 2004. So it does not surprise me to see you show up in one of Creeksneaker's foul posts, coming to his/her defense, in one more attack on Larisa--and sounding all "progressive-like," like you just want to know what really happened.

And now you have attacked me as well.

"Fact-checking never was your forte, but goodness."--OnTheOtherHand

Prove it! What facts?
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  - Ken Stewarts' Lodge in Bath is expensive ...  zbdent   Jan-21-09 07:28 PM   #2 
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  - WTF???  Dennis Donovan   Jan-21-09 07:31 PM   #3 
  - I'm sure that's who Mrs. Connell was talking about  creeksneakers2   Jan-21-09 08:03 PM   #6 
  - you are assuming that Heather actually said this...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 12:15 AM   #11 
  - Larisa is NOT a "self-styled journalist." She has broken major stories.  Hissyspit   Jan-21-09 11:18 PM   #9 
     - Hiss...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 12:28 AM   #14 
        - James Renner should have let you tell your side  creeksneakers2   Jan-22-09 07:39 PM   #47 
           - as usual...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 09:04 PM   #50 
              - I didn't assume anything  creeksneakers2   Jan-22-09 09:44 PM   #55 
                 - did you read my last article  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 09:57 PM   #58 
                 - Yeah. I read lots of stuff about Connell  creeksneakers2   Jan-22-09 10:03 PM   #60 
                    - i did not OUT  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 10:11 PM   #63 
                 - Here you go, nearly 3000 words...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 09:59 PM   #59 
                    - Those reports came out of Velvet Underground too.  creeksneakers2   Jan-22-09 10:05 PM   #61 
                       - lmao...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 10:23 PM   #64 
                       - creekersneeker2 was tombstoned, funny coinkiedink with you  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jan-24-09 02:01 PM   #106 
  - Merry Widow  Jambalaya   Jan-21-09 07:32 PM   #4 
  - Very bizzare disclosure. Some "investigation", eh? n/t  chill_wind   Jan-21-09 11:15 PM   #8 
  - yes.. why does he not name me?  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 12:18 AM   #13 
     - Exactly. It seems like an effort to discredit and chase away  chill_wind   Jan-22-09 03:54 AM   #17 
        - don't know who this guy is...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 04:00 AM   #18 
        - Larisa, a couple links I just grabbed in post #19. n/t  chill_wind   Jan-22-09 04:06 AM   #20 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-22-09 09:01 PM   #49 
        - That is the way it looks to me too. What a hit piece. nt  glitch   Jan-22-09 08:28 AM   #26 
           - yeah...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 11:41 AM   #28 
              - Hmm, I wonder if Arneback has seen this? Could be very interesting to him.  glitch   Jan-22-09 02:08 PM   #36 
  - what is strange here too and which makes me think he is making it up  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 12:17 AM   #12 
  - Just a guess  creeksneakers2   Jan-22-09 06:13 AM   #24 
     - okay... this is the first sensible thing i have seen you type  lala_rawraw   Jan-23-09 11:29 PM   #80 
  - and then she goes on about how she has her husband's ashes in the house ...  zbdent   Jan-23-09 12:06 PM   #71 
  - I'm not sure the heading "Cover Story" sends the message they want,  bleever   Jan-21-09 10:56 PM   #7 
  - ::Smack!:: That went right by me the first time I read it. :-)  chill_wind   Jan-22-09 04:55 AM   #23 
  - this is the second time you have posted this  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 12:12 AM   #10 
  - I started 2 threads at the same time  creeksneakers2   Jan-22-09 01:24 PM   #35 
  - delete  Hissyspit   Jan-22-09 01:13 AM   #15 
  - what did you delete?  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 02:52 AM   #16 
     - It was incoherent. I was falling asleep at the keyboard.  Hissyspit   Jan-22-09 12:15 PM   #33 
        - ah...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 03:13 PM   #40 
  - James Renner  chill_wind   Jan-22-09 04:04 AM   #19 
  - seems kind of cool actually  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 04:13 AM   #21 
     - Among other things, he fancies himself to be a debunker..  chill_wind   Jan-22-09 04:32 AM   #22 
     - Was the link to at the bottom of Renner's story  clear eye   Jan-25-09 12:10 PM   #114 
     - i wonder if she told him about the bomb threat at the park  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 11:49 AM   #29 
        - Larisa, I just found some more that would interest you. See post # 45.  chill_wind   Jan-22-09 07:16 PM   #46 
  - Sounds like they are trying to discredit Connell, a la Martha Mitchell.  glitch   Jan-22-09 08:24 AM   #25 
  - this style reminds me of that local Alabama hack  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 11:38 AM   #27 
     - I've got his name somewhere. I'll see if I can find it.  Hissyspit   Jan-22-09 12:08 PM   #30 
     - he was that guy who was at Horont's Alabama lecture  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 12:14 PM   #32 
        - Eddie Curran.  Hissyspit   Jan-22-09 12:21 PM   #34 
           - yes... yep... that is him  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 03:11 PM   #38 
              - Yes.  Hissyspit   Jan-22-09 03:48 PM   #41 
     - Ha! That is what I just said in response to your other post.  glitch   Jan-22-09 02:11 PM   #37 
        - great minds...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 03:11 PM   #39 
  - Larisa is not an "RS blogger." She is a major American investigative journalist.  Hissyspit   Jan-22-09 12:12 PM   #31 
  - since when is "blogger" an attack?  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-22-09 04:36 PM   #42 
  - um...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 09:18 PM   #51 
  - certainly, you said no such thing n/t  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-23-09 04:58 AM   #67 
     - but i am trying to  lala_rawraw   Jan-23-09 11:25 PM   #79 
        - my take, briefly  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-24-09 07:18 AM   #85 
           - well we will agree to disagree then  lala_rawraw   Jan-24-09 09:34 AM   #91 
  - Larisa does not "blog" on Raw Story.  Hissyspit   Jan-22-09 10:48 PM   #65 
     - huh?  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-23-09 05:26 AM   #68 
  - My subject line just boils down to as few words as I could fashion  creeksneakers2   Jan-22-09 05:36 PM   #43 
     - fallacy of the excluded middle?  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-22-09 05:47 PM   #44 
     - as to your last point...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 09:24 PM   #53 
        - You said that the first time I posted.  creeksneakers2   Jan-22-09 09:51 PM   #56 
        - no... i actually was stupid enough  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 09:56 PM   #57 
           - I'm continuing to follow this story.  creeksneakers2   Jan-22-09 10:08 PM   #62 
        - I couldna care less  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-23-09 05:40 AM   #69 
     - interesting...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 09:22 PM   #52 
  - Questions raised by others about the cred of James Renner (book).  chill_wind   Jan-22-09 06:59 PM   #45 
  - Two more blogs of opposing perspective- more on Renner.  chill_wind   Jan-22-09 08:06 PM   #48 
     - wow... well  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 09:26 PM   #54 
  - And you post this hit piece here on DU because????  L. Coyote   Jan-22-09 11:16 PM   #66 
  - I'm not sure its a hit piece  creeksneakers2   Jan-23-09 10:37 AM   #70 
     - well, i ask again...  lala_rawraw   Jan-23-09 12:18 PM   #72 
        - I called it a great piece  creeksneakers2   Jan-23-09 05:50 PM   #74 
           - wow, you really get around  lala_rawraw   Jan-23-09 11:12 PM   #77 
  - Our election system is now run by private, rightwing corporations...  Peace Patriot   Jan-23-09 05:37 PM   #73 
  - wow, you have some nerve  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-23-09 06:58 PM   #75 
     - You did it twice (at least).  Peace Patriot   Jan-23-09 09:06 PM   #76 
     - I'm waiting for OnTheOtherHand to prove his allegation-"Fact-checking never was your forte."  Peace Patriot   Jan-24-09 12:35 AM   #82 
     - what, you want me to wade through the archives?  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-24-09 07:28 AM   #86 
     - malarkey  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-24-09 07:34 AM   #87 
     - May I say something here?  lala_rawraw   Jan-23-09 11:21 PM   #78 
        - This whole stinking cesspool detracts from people doing real journlism and investigation  L. Coyote   Jan-23-09 11:38 PM   #81 
        - Yeah, I understand your point (ignore it), but I entered a couple of this character's  Peace Patriot   Jan-24-09 07:53 AM   #88 
        - I smell sulpher in the OP  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jan-24-09 01:46 AM   #83 
        - Quote  creeksneakers2   Jan-24-09 07:09 AM   #84 
           - Ah, the Grand Inquisitor is back! Answer his questions, or you're a liar.  Peace Patriot   Jan-24-09 08:37 AM   #89 
           - Larisa  JamesRenner   Jan-24-09 08:57 AM   #90 
           - Wow... Mr. Renner  lala_rawraw   Jan-24-09 09:38 AM   #92 
           - I asked him for his reaction on his blog  creeksneakers2   Jan-24-09 10:28 AM   #94 
           - my, my  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-24-09 10:26 AM   #93 
           - I tip my hat to you sir  lala_rawraw   Jan-24-09 10:48 AM   #95 
           - He has his moments.  Ellipsis   Jan-24-09 10:57 AM   #97 
           - definitely some things a journalist would NOT write  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jan-24-09 01:30 PM   #104 
           - Those are great questions  creeksneakers2   Jan-24-09 12:22 PM   #98 
           - If you think that was bad...  lala_rawraw   Jan-24-09 12:30 PM   #99 
           - I's not election fraud, it's just a kerfuffle.  Jim Sagle   Jan-25-09 10:41 PM   #115 
              - late to the thread?  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-26-09 08:34 AM   #117 
              - I know exactly what you're driving at, and no, I won't be stopped.  Jim Sagle   Jan-26-09 11:20 AM   #118 
                 - oh, bravely said!  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-26-09 05:31 PM   #119 
                    - We'd ALL feel much more alive if the obvious election fraud in 2004 were forced into the open and  Jim Sagle   Jan-26-09 06:08 PM   #120 
                       - la  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-26-09 08:29 PM   #121 
                          - Take a look at this whole thread.  Jim Sagle   Jan-26-09 09:16 PM   #122 
                             - I guess that would be, "No, no point"  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-27-09 05:17 AM   #124 
              - welcome to the Election Reform Forum  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jan-26-09 09:51 PM   #123 
           - ...and you're all of 30 years old. I doubt very much...  Ellipsis   Jan-24-09 10:54 AM   #96 
           - I read yer shit on the original link.  Jim Sagle   Jan-25-09 10:44 PM   #116 
           - is this the same as sockpuppet Creekersneeker2?  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jan-24-09 01:58 PM   #105 
              - I'm not him  creeksneakers2   Jan-24-09 02:50 PM   #107 
  - There's a very interesting interview of Larisa on this subject  creeksneakers2   Jan-24-09 12:36 PM   #100 
     - does anyone think  lala_rawraw   Jan-24-09 12:41 PM   #101 
     - No. Strikes me a message... someone didn't want you to interface.  Ellipsis   Jan-24-09 01:14 PM   #103 
     - and a discussion thread in GD on all of this  Ellipsis   Jan-24-09 01:03 PM   #102 
        - Larisa  JamesRenner   Jan-24-09 03:29 PM   #108 
        - By all means  lala_rawraw   Jan-24-09 05:25 PM   #109 
        - You believe the widow of a man who worked for Karl Rove, who was Rove's high tech  Peace Patriot   Jan-24-09 05:46 PM   #110 
        - Dude, I'm not Larisa. Are you really James Renner? I have to tell you...  Ellipsis   Jan-24-09 05:50 PM   #111 
        - It's on the DU front page, now.  Hissyspit   Jan-24-09 07:54 PM   #112 
           - mark's interview should be front page  lala_rawraw   Jan-24-09 08:21 PM   #113 

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