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73. Our election system is now run by private, rightwing corporations...
Edited on Fri Jan-23-09 05:38 PM by Peace Patriot
...from Diebold (former CEO a Bush/Cheney campaign chair), to ES&S (hair-raising rightwing 'christian' nut connections), to Sequoia (hired former Repub CA sec of state to peddle its voting machines), to Mike Connell and his various corporations and networks (for 'hosting' Ohio election data, or purging black voters from the voting rolls in Florida, or 'disappearing' Karl Rove's emails)--all run on 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code, with most information and processes (including vote counting) hidden from the public...

...and these two posters/commenters--Creeksneakers2 and OnTheOtherHand--are distracting an important election fraud/election reform reporter from the job she has committed to do--investigating electoral crimes against our democracy--with all this crap, forcing her to defend herself against this cheap, shitty, slanderous article.

That is what I see here, and it burns me up. 'TRADE SECRET' vote counting, and 'TRADE SECRET' voting lists and networks, are an immense danger to our country, not just as to the national security risk of the wrong candidates entering the White House or other positions of power, but also as to the potential impact of that 'TRADE SECRET' power even on candidates who actually did win. What it means is that rightwing forces can easily--EASILY--dis-elect them next time, shave their mandates, inflict them with asshole, rightwing colleagues who weren't really elected, and can distract the whole country with "divide and conquer" issues, such as the anti-gay measure in California, or prevent election reform voter initiatives from passing (as they did in Ohio in 2005).

Until we rid ourselves of all 'TRADE SECRET' code and all private corporate control of our election system, we are not safe, we cannot expect real reform and our efforts to elect good people will not result in good government, and will not prevent economic and foreign policy and Constitutional disasters, such as the Bush Junta has inflicted.

I want Larisa Alexandrovna to spend her time investigating election fraud, and not having to defend her name and reputation from these ill-intentioned and defaming posts.

Obstructors and detractors, begone!
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  -Connell widow says considered restraining order for RS blogger creeksneakers2  Jan-21-09 07:01 PM   #0 
  - yikes! K&R... nt  druidity33   Jan-21-09 07:22 PM   #1 
  - Ken Stewarts' Lodge in Bath is expensive ...  zbdent   Jan-21-09 07:28 PM   #2 
  - Icky Rethug Overpriced Samonella Joint  we can do it   Jan-21-09 07:43 PM   #5 
  - WTF???  Dennis Donovan   Jan-21-09 07:31 PM   #3 
  - I'm sure that's who Mrs. Connell was talking about  creeksneakers2   Jan-21-09 08:03 PM   #6 
  - you are assuming that Heather actually said this...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 12:15 AM   #11 
  - Larisa is NOT a "self-styled journalist." She has broken major stories.  Hissyspit   Jan-21-09 11:18 PM   #9 
     - Hiss...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 12:28 AM   #14 
        - James Renner should have let you tell your side  creeksneakers2   Jan-22-09 07:39 PM   #47 
           - as usual...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 09:04 PM   #50 
              - I didn't assume anything  creeksneakers2   Jan-22-09 09:44 PM   #55 
                 - did you read my last article  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 09:57 PM   #58 
                 - Yeah. I read lots of stuff about Connell  creeksneakers2   Jan-22-09 10:03 PM   #60 
                    - i did not OUT  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 10:11 PM   #63 
                 - Here you go, nearly 3000 words...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 09:59 PM   #59 
                    - Those reports came out of Velvet Underground too.  creeksneakers2   Jan-22-09 10:05 PM   #61 
                       - lmao...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 10:23 PM   #64 
                       - creekersneeker2 was tombstoned, funny coinkiedink with you  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jan-24-09 02:01 PM   #106 
  - Merry Widow  Jambalaya   Jan-21-09 07:32 PM   #4 
  - Very bizzare disclosure. Some "investigation", eh? n/t  chill_wind   Jan-21-09 11:15 PM   #8 
  - yes.. why does he not name me?  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 12:18 AM   #13 
     - Exactly. It seems like an effort to discredit and chase away  chill_wind   Jan-22-09 03:54 AM   #17 
        - don't know who this guy is...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 04:00 AM   #18 
        - Larisa, a couple links I just grabbed in post #19. n/t  chill_wind   Jan-22-09 04:06 AM   #20 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-22-09 09:01 PM   #49 
        - That is the way it looks to me too. What a hit piece. nt  glitch   Jan-22-09 08:28 AM   #26 
           - yeah...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 11:41 AM   #28 
              - Hmm, I wonder if Arneback has seen this? Could be very interesting to him.  glitch   Jan-22-09 02:08 PM   #36 
  - what is strange here too and which makes me think he is making it up  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 12:17 AM   #12 
  - Just a guess  creeksneakers2   Jan-22-09 06:13 AM   #24 
     - okay... this is the first sensible thing i have seen you type  lala_rawraw   Jan-23-09 11:29 PM   #80 
  - and then she goes on about how she has her husband's ashes in the house ...  zbdent   Jan-23-09 12:06 PM   #71 
  - I'm not sure the heading "Cover Story" sends the message they want,  bleever   Jan-21-09 10:56 PM   #7 
  - ::Smack!:: That went right by me the first time I read it. :-)  chill_wind   Jan-22-09 04:55 AM   #23 
  - this is the second time you have posted this  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 12:12 AM   #10 
  - I started 2 threads at the same time  creeksneakers2   Jan-22-09 01:24 PM   #35 
  - delete  Hissyspit   Jan-22-09 01:13 AM   #15 
  - what did you delete?  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 02:52 AM   #16 
     - It was incoherent. I was falling asleep at the keyboard.  Hissyspit   Jan-22-09 12:15 PM   #33 
        - ah...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 03:13 PM   #40 
  - James Renner  chill_wind   Jan-22-09 04:04 AM   #19 
  - seems kind of cool actually  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 04:13 AM   #21 
     - Among other things, he fancies himself to be a debunker..  chill_wind   Jan-22-09 04:32 AM   #22 
     - Was the link to at the bottom of Renner's story  clear eye   Jan-25-09 12:10 PM   #114 
     - i wonder if she told him about the bomb threat at the park  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 11:49 AM   #29 
        - Larisa, I just found some more that would interest you. See post # 45.  chill_wind   Jan-22-09 07:16 PM   #46 
  - Sounds like they are trying to discredit Connell, a la Martha Mitchell.  glitch   Jan-22-09 08:24 AM   #25 
  - this style reminds me of that local Alabama hack  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 11:38 AM   #27 
     - I've got his name somewhere. I'll see if I can find it.  Hissyspit   Jan-22-09 12:08 PM   #30 
     - he was that guy who was at Horont's Alabama lecture  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 12:14 PM   #32 
        - Eddie Curran.  Hissyspit   Jan-22-09 12:21 PM   #34 
           - yes... yep... that is him  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 03:11 PM   #38 
              - Yes.  Hissyspit   Jan-22-09 03:48 PM   #41 
     - Ha! That is what I just said in response to your other post.  glitch   Jan-22-09 02:11 PM   #37 
        - great minds...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 03:11 PM   #39 
  - Larisa is not an "RS blogger." She is a major American investigative journalist.  Hissyspit   Jan-22-09 12:12 PM   #31 
  - since when is "blogger" an attack?  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-22-09 04:36 PM   #42 
  - um...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 09:18 PM   #51 
  - certainly, you said no such thing n/t  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-23-09 04:58 AM   #67 
     - but i am trying to  lala_rawraw   Jan-23-09 11:25 PM   #79 
        - my take, briefly  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-24-09 07:18 AM   #85 
           - well we will agree to disagree then  lala_rawraw   Jan-24-09 09:34 AM   #91 
  - Larisa does not "blog" on Raw Story.  Hissyspit   Jan-22-09 10:48 PM   #65 
     - huh?  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-23-09 05:26 AM   #68 
  - My subject line just boils down to as few words as I could fashion  creeksneakers2   Jan-22-09 05:36 PM   #43 
     - fallacy of the excluded middle?  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-22-09 05:47 PM   #44 
     - as to your last point...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 09:24 PM   #53 
        - You said that the first time I posted.  creeksneakers2   Jan-22-09 09:51 PM   #56 
        - no... i actually was stupid enough  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 09:56 PM   #57 
           - I'm continuing to follow this story.  creeksneakers2   Jan-22-09 10:08 PM   #62 
        - I couldna care less  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-23-09 05:40 AM   #69 
     - interesting...  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 09:22 PM   #52 
  - Questions raised by others about the cred of James Renner (book).  chill_wind   Jan-22-09 06:59 PM   #45 
  - Two more blogs of opposing perspective- more on Renner.  chill_wind   Jan-22-09 08:06 PM   #48 
     - wow... well  lala_rawraw   Jan-22-09 09:26 PM   #54 
  - And you post this hit piece here on DU because????  L. Coyote   Jan-22-09 11:16 PM   #66 
  - I'm not sure its a hit piece  creeksneakers2   Jan-23-09 10:37 AM   #70 
     - well, i ask again...  lala_rawraw   Jan-23-09 12:18 PM   #72 
        - I called it a great piece  creeksneakers2   Jan-23-09 05:50 PM   #74 
           - wow, you really get around  lala_rawraw   Jan-23-09 11:12 PM   #77 
  - Our election system is now run by private, rightwing corporations...  Peace Patriot   Jan-23-09 05:37 PM   #73 
  - wow, you have some nerve  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-23-09 06:58 PM   #75 
     - You did it twice (at least).  Peace Patriot   Jan-23-09 09:06 PM   #76 
     - I'm waiting for OnTheOtherHand to prove his allegation-"Fact-checking never was your forte."  Peace Patriot   Jan-24-09 12:35 AM   #82 
     - what, you want me to wade through the archives?  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-24-09 07:28 AM   #86 
     - malarkey  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-24-09 07:34 AM   #87 
     - May I say something here?  lala_rawraw   Jan-23-09 11:21 PM   #78 
        - This whole stinking cesspool detracts from people doing real journlism and investigation  L. Coyote   Jan-23-09 11:38 PM   #81 
        - Yeah, I understand your point (ignore it), but I entered a couple of this character's  Peace Patriot   Jan-24-09 07:53 AM   #88 
        - I smell sulpher in the OP  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jan-24-09 01:46 AM   #83 
        - Quote  creeksneakers2   Jan-24-09 07:09 AM   #84 
           - Ah, the Grand Inquisitor is back! Answer his questions, or you're a liar.  Peace Patriot   Jan-24-09 08:37 AM   #89 
           - Larisa  JamesRenner   Jan-24-09 08:57 AM   #90 
           - Wow... Mr. Renner  lala_rawraw   Jan-24-09 09:38 AM   #92 
           - I asked him for his reaction on his blog  creeksneakers2   Jan-24-09 10:28 AM   #94 
           - my, my  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-24-09 10:26 AM   #93 
           - I tip my hat to you sir  lala_rawraw   Jan-24-09 10:48 AM   #95 
           - He has his moments.  Ellipsis   Jan-24-09 10:57 AM   #97 
           - definitely some things a journalist would NOT write  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jan-24-09 01:30 PM   #104 
           - Those are great questions  creeksneakers2   Jan-24-09 12:22 PM   #98 
           - If you think that was bad...  lala_rawraw   Jan-24-09 12:30 PM   #99 
           - I's not election fraud, it's just a kerfuffle.  Jim Sagle   Jan-25-09 10:41 PM   #115 
              - late to the thread?  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-26-09 08:34 AM   #117 
              - I know exactly what you're driving at, and no, I won't be stopped.  Jim Sagle   Jan-26-09 11:20 AM   #118 
                 - oh, bravely said!  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-26-09 05:31 PM   #119 
                    - We'd ALL feel much more alive if the obvious election fraud in 2004 were forced into the open and  Jim Sagle   Jan-26-09 06:08 PM   #120 
                       - la  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-26-09 08:29 PM   #121 
                          - Take a look at this whole thread.  Jim Sagle   Jan-26-09 09:16 PM   #122 
                             - I guess that would be, "No, no point"  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-27-09 05:17 AM   #124 
              - welcome to the Election Reform Forum  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jan-26-09 09:51 PM   #123 
           - ...and you're all of 30 years old. I doubt very much...  Ellipsis   Jan-24-09 10:54 AM   #96 
           - I read yer shit on the original link.  Jim Sagle   Jan-25-09 10:44 PM   #116 
           - is this the same as sockpuppet Creekersneeker2?  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jan-24-09 01:58 PM   #105 
              - I'm not him  creeksneakers2   Jan-24-09 02:50 PM   #107 
  - There's a very interesting interview of Larisa on this subject  creeksneakers2   Jan-24-09 12:36 PM   #100 
     - does anyone think  lala_rawraw   Jan-24-09 12:41 PM   #101 
     - No. Strikes me a message... someone didn't want you to interface.  Ellipsis   Jan-24-09 01:14 PM   #103 
     - and a discussion thread in GD on all of this  Ellipsis   Jan-24-09 01:03 PM   #102 
        - Larisa  JamesRenner   Jan-24-09 03:29 PM   #108 
        - By all means  lala_rawraw   Jan-24-09 05:25 PM   #109 
        - You believe the widow of a man who worked for Karl Rove, who was Rove's high tech  Peace Patriot   Jan-24-09 05:46 PM   #110 
        - Dude, I'm not Larisa. Are you really James Renner? I have to tell you...  Ellipsis   Jan-24-09 05:50 PM   #111 
        - It's on the DU front page, now.  Hissyspit   Jan-24-09 07:54 PM   #112 
           - mark's interview should be front page  lala_rawraw   Jan-24-09 08:21 PM   #113 

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