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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 12:00 AM
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New Yorkers should be alert - new threat to Lever Machines
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Voting Machines Best Friend Is Active in New York: the push for "instant runoff voting" also called IRV.

In the wake of the squeaker recount of the US Senate contest in Minnesota, IRV advocates have been promoting
the reform even harder. Their claim - IRV would be better than a recount and might prevent them.
South St. Paul Examiner: Instant Runoff Voting beats a hand recount

Now the effort to push IRV has picked up speed in New York. And IRV means computerized voting.

The group calling itself "New Yorkers for Instant Runoff Voting" is setting up a political action committee to help them push IRV in New York.

New Yorkers for Instant Runoff Voting has been working hard to prepare for its 2009 launch. Soon, well have a registered political action committee so that IRV supporters can donate to help us push for IRV in New York. Were also continuing to update this website with more information...


On January 4, NYIRV had this update about their efforts to contact candidates for the City Council's first district.

Here's another group, Citizens for Instant Runoff Voting in New York State that is actively lobbying for Instant Runoff Voting in New York.
Here is an excerpt of sample letter from their website for New Yorkers to send their lawmakers.

New Yorkers need to be aware that if IRV takes root in New York, it will incentivize the use of electronic or computerized voting machines. Dr. Rebecca Mercuri had warned Scotland about this, before that country switched to computerized voting.

When Scotland adopted STV (a form of ranked choice voting) they traded their hand counted paper ballots to computerized voting machines:

Scottish officials followed the advice of "experts" including the non profit "The Electoral Reform Society" and switched from hand counted paper ballots to computerized voting in May '07 to support STV, a form of Instant Runoff:

3.3.1 Experience of counting STV elections elsewhere led the Scottish Executive to examine the feasibility of counting the ballot papers electronically. Following a procurement exercise in late 2005 DRS Data Services Limited (DRS) was selected as the preferred supplier to provide the equipment and support necessary to support such a process. DRS provided the e-counting services in the Greater London Authority / London Mayoral Elections in 2000 and 2004. DRS also involved Electoral Reform Services (ERS) in their proposals ERS having extensive experience of STV elections.
("Electoral Reform Services" is related to the Electoral Reform Society, a non profit whose goal is to spread IRV).


In other words, IRV is too hard to count by hand, so if you adopt it, you will get pushed into
purchasing voting machines.

I am sure that IRV proponents will insist that IRV can be counted by hand, and that it is in some foreign countries.
But what those proponents won't tell you is that in the United States and Scotland, the implementation of IRV means
more complex technology, and uncertified software specially adapted with the IRV algorithm.

We saw this in San Francisco CA, Pierce County Washington and Scotland.

IRV is a well intentioned reform, but it is hard to count, and it doesn't strengthen third parties (its real goal). It also will not prevent the spoiler effect in any instance where the third party candidate is very strong.

Be warned, New Yorkers. IRV = computerized voting machines.

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