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38. I spent election night '04 (up until ~ 1:30 am) in an upstairs party room with many
Edited on Sat Jan-24-09 01:10 PM by mod mom
Kerry staffers who remained faithfully stating "don't worry, our boiler room shows we won", while many of us had a lump in our stomachs and tears in our eyes by what was being reported on tv.

I remember reading a Columbus Dispatch article that had a map indicating machine allocation by precincts that I knew to be wrong. I contacted the reporter and questioned the numbers. They said it had been provided to them by someone at the election board. I followed up by contacting dozens of people within the Franklin County BOE until I found one staff person who was willing to share a document of just how machines were allocated by precinct with historical data from both primaries, and the 2000 election. This is the spreadsheet that has been examined (I was unqualified to do the data justice, so I handed it to Bob Fitrakis at one of the public hearing that were held just after the election and he has used it and forwarded it to others for review) and reported on. It shows that indeed there was misallocation of machines that adversely effected predominately Af Am precincts. I also sent it to the reporters from the Columbus Dispatch so that they would correct the misinformation that had been posted in their paper. Guess what? They didn't want anything to do with it. I said I had received it from someone within the BOE. Didn't matter. This was the point that I felt open my eyes to the fact that the truth was being ignored. I knew what I had witnessed as far as registration, turnout and length of lines and was able to contrast my semi affluent predominately white, inner ring suburb (the governor votes in my precinct) while just blocks away in low income Af Am precincts there was a blatant difference. The news media wasn't interested in reporting it. When you have an experience like this, you become distrustful of the "official story".

All Bob, Cliff, Susan Truitt, and Peter Peckarsky asked for was their day in court to prove their case. They have filed many public document requests, gone into BOE warehouses around the state and gathered affidavits from witnesses. They were threatened with sanctions by an overwhelming Republican Ohio SC. They worked with Conyers and the House Judiciary Democratic legal staff in compiling evidence. Let them have their day in court to present the evidence. Bobby Kennedy Jr and Mike Papantonio were convinced AFTER REVIEWING THE MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE.

I don't claim to know exit poll reliability but I do know what I witnessed. I am not even one iota unsure that major disenfranchisement of Af Am voters occurred in an organized manner. I had canvassed and done voter registration in many of the near east Af Am precincts effected. Everyone was registered ( I approached many young people hanging out on street corners and went door to door seeking registrations, as well as working major festivals in the area). There was going to be a huge wave of new voters in these precincts getting out in force. I did the same early in these (2008) primaries through election day in these same precincts and even organized a 3 day voter registration event at the local Ohio Juneteenth Festival. Guess what? There were very few people to register-mainly young people who were not eligible in 2004. Many people attempted to vote in 2004, but faced many obstacles that suppressed their votes.

I'm rambling, but my point is give them their day in court before judging them.
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  - could you please clarify who you mean by "they"  emlev   Dec-22-08 05:34 PM   #3 
  - By THEY I mean Rove. By Rove I mean "any conservative operative".  readmoreoften   Dec-22-08 09:28 PM   #12 
     - Thank you.  emlev   Dec-22-08 10:21 PM   #13 
  - there's definitely been an attempt  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jan-04-09 01:07 PM   #31 
  - BECAUSE they're new to DU,  elleng   Dec-22-08 05:29 PM   #2 
  - and haven't sifted through the wealth of information and background that we have  mod mom   Dec-24-08 04:18 PM   #17 
  - They are still under the spell of the jaw-droppingly slanted and just  annabanana   Dec-22-08 05:41 PM   #4 
  - we were betrayed by a thing that claimed to be one of us  madrchsod   Dec-22-08 06:44 PM   #5 
  - I hope you are speaking about....  KoKo01   Dec-22-08 06:47 PM   #7 
     - yup andy...  madrchsod   Dec-22-08 09:00 PM   #11 
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  - Well...I guess it's important to be Inclusive. After 2000 Selection we  KoKo01   Dec-22-08 06:49 PM   #8 
  - OKAY..why are many here so suspect of Arneback and Fritakis's Motives?  KoKo01   Dec-22-08 06:51 PM   #9 
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     - Somebody has debunked Spoonamore's theory?  Stevepol   Dec-28-08 04:22 PM   #23 
        - .  Wilms   Dec-28-08 04:44 PM   #24 
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           - Not only that...  Bill Bored   Dec-30-08 01:16 PM   #26 
  - That someone is busting their ass for reform doesn't make them all-knowing.  Wilms   Dec-22-08 08:44 PM   #10 
  - My pet peeve  tbyg52   Dec-23-08 09:32 AM   #14 
  - Because they are not brainwashed yet!  L. Coyote   Dec-23-08 08:24 PM   #15 
  - Because Dems won  eridani   Dec-23-08 10:17 PM   #16 
  - >>We have to keep pounding on this, because it may make a difference next time.  tbyg52   Dec-24-08 07:48 PM   #18 
  - hard to tell  WillYourVoteBCounted   Dec-25-08 05:05 PM   #20 
  - new DUers aren't so likely to see this query  OnTheOtherHand   Dec-26-08 11:55 AM   #21 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Dec-28-08 02:45 AM   #22 
  - I spent election night '04 (up until ~ 1:30 am) in an upstairs party room with many  mod mom   Jan-24-09 01:06 PM   #38 
     - yes, and the evidence of machine misallocation is solid  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-24-09 03:05 PM   #39 
        - Interesting side note.  mod mom   Jan-25-09 08:58 AM   #40 
           - wild  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-25-09 09:43 AM   #41 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-02-09 05:16 AM   #27 
  - I think we should start at the beginning  creeksneakers2   Jan-03-09 07:11 AM   #28 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-03-09 11:51 AM   #29 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-08-09 11:05 PM   #33 
     - enjoy your cement pizza  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jan-08-09 11:44 PM   #34 
        - By the slice...  Wilms   Jan-09-09 12:16 AM   #35 
  - Thank you mods  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jan-04-09 12:11 PM   #30 
  - i agree  lala_rawraw   Jan-04-09 05:27 PM   #32 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-10-09 05:06 PM   #36 
     - g'night, gknight  OnTheOtherHand   Jan-10-09 05:40 PM   #37 
 

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