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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 02:16 PM
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26. Not only that...
Edited on Tue Dec-30-08 02:22 PM by Bill Bored
...but ultimately, you'd have to change the results of the precinct-based machines, which are supposed to be available on paper, per HAVA. The question is whether these are checked independently of the voting system to verify the county-wide totals.

I do think the MIM thing, at the state level, is insufficient on its own.

It's much more effective and difficult to detect miscounts generated within the precincts, such as the switching of punch cards to the wrong precincts with different ballot orders due to rotation. And there is actual evidence of this. But that kind of evidence takes WORK to uncover -- not just speculation (see Richard Hayes Philips and L. Coyote).

Once the punch cards were switched, as far as I know, there was no way to recover those votes, but I'm shocked to hear that some folks still believe it was possible to switch them back by using precinct IDs on the punch card ballots which most others say did not exist. If we can't even agree on important details like that, we are in sorry shape!

As far as uncovering vote switching software at the precinct level, I think that's pretty much impossible, so that's another, and in my opinion, PREFERABLE way to rig the count. It can be detected by a random audit (hand count) of paper ballots, if the voted ballots are the same ballots actually voted in the election, but we know that the Ohio 3% "recounts" were not conducted randomly and that steps were deliberately taken to prevent larger recounts from happening.
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