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ObamaDaMan Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 02:37 AM
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32. It seems that Brad doesn't agree with you
If you had read my post more closely, you'd have seen that I never said that Gideon was for electronic machines with paper receipts. I simply showed that he was closely affiliated with such people. Ok, Sir, if VVF is not for those things, then what exactly are they fighting for? They are clearly not for authentic paper ballots. You yourself also appear to be for machines with paper receipts and limited audits. Now instead of people like me conjecturing, why don't you just once and for all explain what exactly you think are the solutions to our electoral problems. Other than harping on and on about exit polls and astroturfing that Bush won in 2004, I haven't really seen any statements from you clearly spelling out what the answers are to ensure our democracy is no longer in a constitutional crisis.

You appear to be for limited audits. *My answer is below.*

Brad says Gideon quit VTUSA because of their propensity to not support paper ballots. If you guys could simply answer questions sincerely instead of jumping to conclusions about messengers, perhaps this wouldn't seem like such a closed, scripted shop.

Now we find out that Stephenson was a co-founder of VTUSA. We are not talking about mickey mouse associations here. Brett Kimberlin and Brad are co-founders of Velvet Revolution. How can Brad's reputation and integrity not be linked to that of the convicted bomber?

And Brad also went on to dismiss every point I made. Why is he covering up the Larry Johnson spook campaign against Obama? Why did Larisa lie for Kimberlin? People at least have the right to know about these connections. Bozos and Brad have met in person. Bozos has been acting as a gatekeeper trollbuster for years.

Those guys were saying they had videotapes of Michelle Obama making racist comments. They have posted about Obama giving the finger to McCain at a debate. They have come up with so much crap that we could make a 500 post thread on it time permitting. Why doesn't anyone want to get to the bottom of this one while it's still fresh? Are we meant to wait until all the scrubbing and pruning takes place?

Are you aware of Larry Johnson, Bozos, and Cannonfire with that spooky campaign gnawing at democratic principles? Do you want some links?

*The answer is hand counted paper ballots. As someone from Canada wrote, we could do it like they do, just multiply the number of workers and polling stations. How come we have all this money to waste on illegal wars, corporate swine, NASA and the rest of the military-industrial complex, and all forms of insidious government, yet we don't have the money to ensure that every vote is counted?*

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  - That's fantastic news! Let's make sure the Rethugs don't steal any...  asksam   Nov-06-08 06:52 PM   #1 
  - they are stealing the alaska election. keep praying.  roguevalley   Nov-07-08 12:19 AM   #16 
  - Let us pray.....  Sebastian Doyle   Nov-06-08 06:53 PM   #2 
  - Don't be insulting to Atheists.  last1standing   Nov-06-08 06:58 PM   #3 
     - No insults intended.  Sebastian Doyle   Nov-06-08 07:09 PM   #8 
     - I will "pray" to the Flying Spaghetti Monster.  tbyg52   Nov-07-08 07:10 PM   #30 
     - One Can Focus One's Will, One's Energy and One's Hopes  AndyTiedye   Nov-09-08 10:22 PM   #35 
  - 'The same ballots run through the same machines, yielded different results each time'  Eric J in MN   Nov-06-08 06:58 PM   #4 
  - That is pretty optimistic. Remember the Creigh Deeds AG recount in VA?  FSogol   Nov-06-08 07:01 PM   #5 
  - Imagine if the machines that banks used to count money  JJ   Nov-06-08 07:05 PM   #6 
  - Remember that Superman movie with Richard Pryor?  Sebastian Doyle   Nov-06-08 07:12 PM   #9 
  - Does that count include Lieberman with the Dems?  KelleyKramer   Nov-06-08 07:08 PM   #7 
  - Unfortunately, yes  Sebastian Doyle   Nov-06-08 07:13 PM   #10 
     - How sad that Benedict F*&&turd Joe could hold the cards.  maddogesq   Nov-06-08 07:18 PM   #11 
  - I still say Lieberman has to go. Let's turn a moderate Republican.  Libertyfirst   Nov-06-08 07:28 PM   #12 
  - Is there such a thing anymore?  Wednesdays   Nov-06-08 09:26 PM   #14 
     - The Senators from Maine n/t  clear eye   Nov-06-08 11:13 PM   #15 
  - Well, nothing personal......  ObamaDaMan   Nov-07-08 12:48 AM   #19 
     - about complete disinfo...  BradBlog   Nov-07-08 12:56 AM   #20 
     - Here's Your Proof  ObamaDaMan   Nov-07-08 03:05 AM   #22 
     - Brad, FWIW, all the posts re election reform since it went mainstream (at least here)  tbyg52   Nov-08-08 10:59 PM   #34 
     - The guy is likely  lala_rawraw   Nov-14-08 11:49 AM   #37 
     - maybe I should grab some popcorn?  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-07-08 06:00 AM   #24 
     - It seems that Brad doesn't agree with you  ObamaDaMan   Nov-08-08 02:37 AM   #32 
     - Nothing personal  lala_rawraw   Nov-14-08 11:47 AM   #36 
  - Thanks! n/t  mhatrw   Nov-07-08 12:29 AM   #17 
  - I'm with you, Brad. Why the hell election fraud doesn't warrant front and center position  BushDespiser12   Nov-07-08 12:40 AM   #18 
  - For the record...  BradBlog   Nov-07-08 01:00 AM   #21 
     - Let's All Relax And Face The Music  ObamaDaMan   Nov-07-08 03:57 AM   #23 
     - Let's all tell the truth, and stand up to thugs, liars and disinformation agents  BradBlog   Nov-07-08 04:42 PM   #26 
     - And, btw, welcome to DU...  BradBlog   Nov-07-08 04:51 PM   #27 
     - Settle Down Francis  ObamaDaMan   Nov-08-08 01:44 AM   #31 
     - No, we just think you are garbage...  lala_rawraw   Nov-14-08 11:52 AM   #38 
     - There's been some panicky-sounding posts about the 2004 election, too, Brad.  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Nov-07-08 06:47 PM   #28 
  - What "memory cartridges" are used with optically scanned ballots?  TheBorealAvenger   Nov-07-08 11:53 AM   #25 
  - But does this include Lieberdweeb? Is that why we can't just  tblue37   Nov-07-08 06:55 PM   #29 
  - I'm just passing through, but...  Kurovski   Nov-08-08 03:31 PM   #33 

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