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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #17
18. as I've said several times
I don't think anyone really believes that Kerry won Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, and Minnesota by double digits. I think that some people affirm this, when pressed, as a logical concomitant of their uncritical faith in exit polls, much as Young Earth Creationists, when pressed, affirm all sorts of things as logical concomitants of theirs. But if people really believed that Kerry won PA, NH, and MN by double digits, I think they would talk about it on their own, instead of resorting to all this defensive posturing when skeptics raise the point.

So, I'll just ask point-blank: do you really believe that Kerry won PA, NH, and MN by double digits? Really? You won't just start waving your hands about "margin of error" until the subject changes?

I do respond to evidence, so if someone can convince me that he or she really believes this, I will have to change my statement. More to the point, it would be interesting if anyone can make a decent case that it's true.

Now, as I assume you know, you wouldn't be done when you made the case for those three states (or for Kerry winning by 31 in New York). There are still 46 states plus DC to go, and a lot of them pose trouble for your purported position. But we can start with three.

I ultimately can't tell what Steve Freeman really believes about anything whatsoever. He certainly talks as if he believes that the exit polls were accurate. I haven't seen any indication that he really thinks Kerry won these three states by double digits.
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