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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 10:11 AM
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9. point by point
Point 1: see e.g. Walter Mebane's correspondence with Kathy Dopp. The registration figures aren't a very good benchmark because crossover voting consistently varies from county to county. Using other elections as benchmarks, there is no sign of an op-scan effect. See also the critiques of the Berkeley study.

Point 2: I can't tell what the point is here; surely not just that op-scans are hackable. As for the NH primary, results in hand count jurisdictions diverged not only in 2008 but also in 2004 and 2000, consistent with the hypothesis that these jurisdictions are actually politically different. See Herron et al.. I suppose it's arguable that the same hacking occurred in 2000 and 2004, although I don't find it very plausible in light of the results.

Point 3: Completely off topic, as it doesn't describe election events. Again, I haven't contested that the scanners are hackable.

Point 4: Assumes what was to be supported ("the last two stolen Presidential elections"), but of course you're right that in many states it's difficult or impossible actually to use the paper ballots or records after the election.

Point 5: I'm happy to discuss this if you can explain what you actually did. "look as if they had been transposed, or flipped" and "Expected Dem" don't let me replicate your methodology.
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  -HOLT STATEMENT ON NEW JERSEY (Insecurities and Inaccuracies of the Sequoia AVC Advantage) Report Wilms  Oct-17-08 09:27 PM   #0 
  - Seems to me a lot of stuff is coming to a head.  Jackpine Radical   Oct-17-08 09:32 PM   #1 
  - wow, just in time...  tomp   Oct-18-08 07:50 AM   #5 
     - well, Holt busted his butt  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-18-08 08:12 AM   #6 
        - Quit pushing Holt's legislation, OTOH.  Wilms   Oct-18-08 10:03 AM   #8 
        - I wasn't, even  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-18-08 10:20 AM   #10 
        - it's a problem that effects the party as a whole...  tomp   Oct-19-08 08:02 AM   #13 
           - You are sbsolutely right. They were more interested in blocking Republican Voter ID  Bill Bored   Oct-20-08 03:35 AM   #23 
        - Maybe some people will quit pushing it, when other people quit bashing it -- and him...  demodonkey   Oct-19-08 07:11 PM   #15 
        - Perhaps. But the sequence here was OTOH mentioning it, then me.  Wilms   Oct-19-08 08:09 PM   #18 
        - I did NOT say YOU are the Holt basher directly, but you blame ME for my recalcitrant legislature?  demodonkey   Oct-19-08 10:50 PM   #19 
        - But HR811 never came to a vote in the House!  Bill Bored   Oct-20-08 03:27 AM   #21 
           - That's been explained to her over and over.  Wilms   Oct-20-08 09:26 AM   #24 
              - I doubt the idea of finding another sponsor for the bill has been seriously discussed.  Bill Bored   Oct-20-08 12:05 PM   #27 
        - fixed tiered reeks of that california audit, that gold audit or some such  FogerRox   Oct-19-08 08:01 PM   #17 
           - How come NJ isn't auditing absentee ballots?  Bill Bored   Oct-20-08 03:03 AM   #20 
              - I'm firing up the task force for 2009, I'm speaking at the Eithical Culture Society Nov 9th  FogerRox   Oct-20-08 09:50 AM   #25 
                 - That's NOT going to be easy. NJ does NOT sort absentee ballots by precinct.  Bill Bored   Oct-20-08 12:02 PM   #26 
        - Actually, Democrats in General and the Party Leadership in particular KILLED the Holt bill.  Bill Bored   Oct-18-08 06:50 PM   #11 
           - yeah, Hoyer was no friend of the bill n/t  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-19-08 03:59 PM   #14 
  - He wants opti-scan equipment?  eowyn_of_rohan   Oct-17-08 11:23 PM   #2 
  - two thoughts about that  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-18-08 06:06 AM   #3 
     - Op-scan problems in the 2004 election  eowyn_of_rohan   Oct-18-08 10:01 AM   #7 
     - point by point  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-18-08 10:11 AM   #9 
     - Wasn't the Berekley 2004 stuff re FL DREs?  Bill Bored   Oct-18-08 06:55 PM   #12 
  - K & R  machI   Oct-18-08 06:29 AM   #4 
  - Congressman Holt, where you 3 years ago ?  FogerRox   Oct-19-08 07:56 PM   #16 
     - Ooooooo. Redacted. Sounds juicy. Was it in the newspapers at the time? nt  Bill Bored   Oct-20-08 03:31 AM   #22 

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