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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 10:51 PM
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52. Welcome to the ER
For 6 years now we've been exploring the machines vulnerabilities and capabilities. At first all we had was questions, and few that believed the machines would or could steal votes by the millions.

Then computer experts weighed in and told us that, yes, the machines could steal votes. And then we tied in the could with the idea of would Bushco steal votes? We've decided, yes, they would. They would and they could.

After the 2004 election many folks poured over all the available data. Most of us came to the conclusion that indeed they did steal millions of votes from not only Kerry but other dems as well.

Many here are firmly convinced that millions of votes were stolen, and have battled long and hard against many who have tried to convince us we were wrong. Well, back 4 years ago only about 20% of all DUers were convinced... now I'd say probably 90% are convinced. Not only DUers have been convinced, but many states have changed the laws concerning the voting machines, outlawing in some places some of the very machines that counted the 2004 votes. Thereby affirming our cause.

This forum has led the fight to regain a proper counting of our votes, and we've almost won. The reality is that the big money behind keeping the machines in place has beaten us for now. All in all it has been terribly frustrating for many, many DUers to see what has transpired.

Being that what has transpired, all we can do now is get ready for the flow of numbers which will come before and after this election. I see our next step as a step where we pour over the numbers once again and begin building a case that we can use to get our votes counted properly before the next round of elections.

You say: "Republicans like to misdirect the public so if they have us looking at the machines maybe we should be paying more attention to the other things they are doing". Respectfully, I'd say the reverse: that the republicans are misdirecting the public by doing other things to keep anybody else from looking closely at the machines.







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  -Obama IS Going to Win, but..... BeFree  Oct-09-08 10:54 AM   #0 
  - No chance -- we are taking both. n/t  melody   Oct-09-08 11:00 AM   #1 
  - But of course we win honestly  BeFree   Oct-09-08 11:06 AM   #2 
  - You're consciously putting your head in the sand -- you're pre-determining losing  melody   Oct-09-08 11:31 AM   #5 
     - Hmmmm  BeFree   Oct-09-08 12:22 PM   #7 
        - BeFree, if you're going to launch into personal attacks, I see you've embraced your viewpoint  melody   Oct-09-08 04:07 PM   #19 
           - melody  BeFree   Oct-10-08 03:04 PM   #47 
  - But Since All Republicans Always Vote in Lockstep, We Need 60 to Avoid Endless Filibusters  AndyTiedye   Oct-09-08 11:20 AM   #3 
     - Andy, what will you do when we win? Will you start talking about how we'll surely lose in 2012?  melody   Oct-09-08 11:32 AM   #6 
        - I have to ask  BeFree   Oct-09-08 12:26 PM   #8 
        - Yes!  Febble   Oct-09-08 01:26 PM   #11 
        - You, again?  BeFree   Oct-09-08 01:39 PM   #13 
        - Well, if you win  Febble   Oct-09-08 02:05 PM   #14 
           - Nope. You are wrong.  BeFree   Oct-09-08 02:19 PM   #15 
           - about what?  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-09-08 03:14 PM   #17 
           - Maybe a teensy-weensy  BeFree   Oct-21-08 05:41 PM   #56 
              - link?  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-21-08 05:58 PM   #57 
                 - There you go again  BeFree   Oct-28-08 11:36 AM   #58 
           - Exactly what I am starting to worry about, 2010. Or beyond.  demodonkey   Oct-09-08 05:47 PM   #21 
           - Yep  BeFree   Oct-13-08 09:06 AM   #55 
           - I know that you consider  Febble   Oct-09-08 06:00 PM   #23 
              - Ummm  BeFree   Oct-09-08 06:53 PM   #26 
                 - Something to consider  droidamus2   Oct-11-08 07:32 PM   #51 
                    - Welcome to the ER  BeFree   Oct-11-08 10:51 PM   #52 
           - No matter what happens in this election, the problem will not go away until we correct it.  demodonkey   Oct-09-08 05:38 PM   #20 
              - Yup.  Febble   Oct-09-08 06:01 PM   #24 
              - you know, we all agree about that  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-09-08 06:12 PM   #25 
        - Lizzie, Compare 32% vs 80% of voters using e-voting from '04 to '08:  mod mom   Oct-09-08 03:02 PM   #16 
           - I'm not sure of your point  Febble   Oct-09-08 05:58 PM   #22 
              - Yet  BeFree   Oct-09-08 07:17 PM   #28 
              - Well, there are two issues here  Febble   Oct-10-08 04:18 AM   #39 
              - I've gone through training (Obama/Dem Party) to be an election observer. One of the  mod mom   Oct-09-08 09:03 PM   #34 
                 - Excellent  Febble   Oct-10-08 04:04 AM   #38 
        - Yes, I have. I read ER. I also have read the material that contradicts the dire viewpoint.  melody   Oct-09-08 04:05 PM   #18 
           - What material?  BeFree   Oct-09-08 06:56 PM   #27 
              - please refer to post #19 n/t  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-09-08 07:21 PM   #29 
                 - Please butt out  BeFree   Oct-09-08 07:40 PM   #30 
                    - you're calling out someone who put you on ignore  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-09-08 08:14 PM   #31 
                       - Oh, she'll read it.  BeFree   Oct-09-08 08:26 PM   #32 
                          - mod mom's post to Febble?  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-09-08 09:00 PM   #33 
                             - Heh  BeFree   Oct-09-08 09:20 PM   #35 
                                - BeFree, let me clarify my position  Febble   Oct-10-08 04:27 AM   #40 
                                - wrong again  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-10-08 05:15 AM   #41 
                                   - Well  BeFree   Oct-10-08 11:34 AM   #43 
                                      - Yes, I think that is a good idea  Febble   Oct-10-08 12:13 PM   #44 
                                      - as Febble noted, it's already being done  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-10-08 12:38 PM   #45 
                                         - Eh?  BeFree   Oct-10-08 02:58 PM   #46 
                                            - projection much?  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-10-08 03:09 PM   #48 
                                               - The subject is now...  BeFree   Oct-10-08 03:15 PM   #49 
                                                  - depends on whom I'm trying to help  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-10-08 04:32 PM   #50 
        - That Post Was Neither Optimistic Nor Pessimistic  AndyTiedye   Oct-10-08 01:43 AM   #37 
        - We won in 2000 and 2004, too  vanboggie   Oct-13-08 01:16 AM   #54 
  - Example: Vote denials in Montana  BeFree   Oct-09-08 11:21 AM   #4 
     - Illegal Purges  BeFree   Oct-09-08 12:40 PM   #9 
        - Congress  BeFree   Oct-09-08 12:59 PM   #10 
           - The Bradley Effect Idea...Destroyed!!  BeFree   Oct-09-08 01:34 PM   #12 
              - Rove  BeFree   Oct-09-08 09:56 PM   #36 
                 - NC Dole vs Hagan  BeFree   Oct-10-08 11:29 AM   #42 
                    - 12 newspapers endorse Obama  BeFree   Oct-12-08 04:49 PM   #53 
 

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