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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 09:33 PM
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32. I agree. Consider changing the recount request deadline to a later one.
Also, it may still be possible to get a court to order a recount using the evidence obtained from the audit.

However, all this recount stuff is really a reaction to FL 2000 where it would have changed the outcome of a very important election.

Prior to that, at least in some states, recounts were considered to be the least secure counts, due to increased opportunity for tampering after the polls close and the ballots are no longer under observation. It's only because of the unreliability of software (and current hardware) used in today's voting systems, and the trauma of FL 2000 and a few other cases, that recounts are all the rage in the election integrity community.

Ideally, we should have voting systems that provide reliable, accurate counts on election night. But that seems to be a thing of the past unless you vote on lever machines or count by hand. The problem is the laws haven't kept up with the technology. So we are stuck with having to use software and find ever more clever ways to verify that it behaved as it was supposed to on election night. While this is intellectually challenging and is a good way for some to get grant money, in practice it's a pain in the ass, and no one is really serious about doing it.
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  - K&R nt  quiet.american   Oct-05-08 04:25 PM   #2 
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  - Why? Divine intervention, of course.  Jackpine Radical   Oct-05-08 04:40 PM   #5 
  - because they promote straight ticket voting - big time  WillYourVoteBCounted   Oct-06-08 12:28 AM   #23 
  - We had TWO YEARS to fix this mess. And what did we do?  cui bono   Oct-05-08 04:37 PM   #4 
  - WE?  garybeck   Oct-05-08 05:08 PM   #7 
  - Yeah, that's what I meant.  cui bono   Oct-05-08 06:55 PM   #14 
  - this mess IS a FIX, and everytime we try to repair it, those with access will FIX things again  diva77   Oct-06-08 08:45 PM   #30 
  - Those ovals have to go.  Festivito   Oct-05-08 04:54 PM   #6 
  - Repeat after me...  GuvWurld   Oct-05-08 05:08 PM   #8 
  - hey bro i got a question  garybeck   Oct-05-08 10:44 PM   #20 
     - I'm not certain, but  GuvWurld   Oct-06-08 01:44 AM   #25 
     - here's what's in the California elections code regarding audits  diva77   Oct-06-08 08:28 PM   #29 
     - turns out the former LA County Registrar, Conny McCormack was NOT selecting precincts randomly  diva77   Oct-06-08 08:24 PM   #28 
  - Are there audits in NM?  garybeck   Oct-05-08 05:10 PM   #9 
  - presidential on 2% of machines, I think  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-05-08 05:18 PM   #10 
     - Looking at their audits, I'm not sure they would catch the problem  garybeck   Oct-05-08 06:13 PM   #13 
     - I agree it's not ideal!  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-05-08 07:29 PM   #15 
        - doing the audit before the canvass report  garybeck   Oct-05-08 07:36 PM   #16 
           - it's like that game show: "is that your (voting system's) final answer?"  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-05-08 08:13 PM   #17 
           - certification of election  garybeck   Oct-05-08 10:10 PM   #19 
              - we burned hours haggling over that wording  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-06-08 04:34 AM   #26 
           - You should "decide on the trigger" BEFORE the audit is started!  Bill Bored   Oct-06-08 12:15 AM   #22 
              - That's exactly what I'm saying  garybeck   Oct-06-08 12:57 AM   #24 
              - I agree. Consider changing the recount request deadline to a later one.  Bill Bored   Oct-06-08 09:33 PM   #32 
                 - i disagree with you and agree with the brennan report  garybeck   Oct-07-08 03:10 AM   #33 
              - And what about chain of custody issues?  Wilms   Oct-06-08 10:58 AM   #27 
                 - What about 'em?  Bill Bored   Oct-06-08 09:21 PM   #31 
                 - well since you ask  garybeck   Oct-07-08 03:17 AM   #34 
                    - The "probably more" in her response suggests she has some reason.  Wilms   Oct-07-08 11:07 AM   #35 
                       - it's worth asking  garybeck   Oct-07-08 11:58 AM   #36 
     - The link to the text of the law is broken. I'd like to see it before passing judgement. nt  Bill Bored   Oct-05-08 11:55 PM   #21 
  - Psssst, these maqchines dont count very well. The evidence is overwhelming  FogerRox   Oct-05-08 05:22 PM   #11 
  - blinking  mbergen   Oct-05-08 05:43 PM   #12 
  - K&R.  bleever   Oct-05-08 08:44 PM   #18 

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